[dance-tech] Re: repertory worlds
- From: Dawn Stoppiello <dawn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: dance-tech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:19:47 -0500
Oh my - Hello Johannes and all,
First I want to say that only recently was I able
to read all the posts on the mailing list and
have not yet visited the ning site yet. I just
can't keep up to be honest. But I am happy that
others are.
I can't think of any dance makers in Troika
Ranch's stage in the game (10+ years as a
company) that do "repertory" anymore. Unless one
had reached the stature of a Trisha, Merce or
Bill by the middle 90's at the latest, one
doesn't have the resources, the company size and
permanent cast and space to keep up old work
while making new. I think the idea of "repertory"
may be outdated not just in the D&T world but in
the dance world in general. Also US presenters
that present contemporary work usually want a
premiere. Unless you are Alvin Ailey or Paul
Taylor with an annual City Center season with an
A and B program, rep is out I think.
And, Mark and I just did a major purging of old
technology from our house. We had to keep some
old stuff around in the (unlikely) event that we
would be asked to present one of our older works
from say 1994 or 1998. It's difficult to keep a
pile of gear around that was used in an old work
when you have moved onto newer, faster, more
relevant gear for a newer work when you live in a
small NYC apartment. Hmmm. Makes me think of
Abbey Road studios that apparently has all kinds
of old audio playback devices so that works
recorded on older mediums can be modernized.
Would be cool if there was a place like that for
the D&T world. A place where one could go to rent
or borrow an old Powerbook running OS 8 or 9 or a
Laserdisc player or VCR or MidiDancer or Sensor
Beam or Diem Digital Dance Suit or Matel Power
Glove or use a 1.0 version of a particular piece
of software. Kind of a working museum. But, still
the bigger question is where is the call to
perform these older work? Who wants to see them
now?
I hate to say it but I think the need for a
special Dance & Technology genre is over. Most
dance and theater pieces I see these days seem to
have video in them. I even saw a play recently by
Elevator Repair Service that used Isadora to run
the sound and sound effects from an on-stage
keyboard played by an actor. Tons of live cameras
everywhere. And sensor-schmensor - nothing
revolutionary here really. Many use camera
tracking or motion capture or midi (god forbid!)
sensors. It's all just out there for all to use.
Thanks to many of us on this list who made it
possible through workshops, symposia, creating
software, hardware, doing a lot of painful (and
fun) research for 15 years to bring tools into
the commercial realm. It used to be you had to
make it yourself. Now you just Google and can
find software and hardware to make your live
media extravaganza! Now there are university
departments that teach you how to do it. I think
this is a good thing. Not that we don't need to
be a community and support each other with our
deeper knowledge of our history, but I am feeling
that the "sub-genre" is a little exclusionary and
unnecessary anymore. Troika Ranch is simply
trying to make art in an art market. We'll
perform wherever they'll have us almost - a
theater, a gallery, a dance department or a media
art department. And now we are making film and
installation also. We dropped "digital dance
theater" from our name a few years ago. We are
just Troika Ranch now.
Maybe I am opening a can of worms, I hope not
because I don't know if I have the time and
wear-with-all to respond often. Oh well. Let me
have it then ; )
my best to all my comrades out there,
Dawn
hello all:
A very good reply has appeared on the
dancetech-ning forum site, to my last post, and
i should repost it here, if you wish (a response
by Matt Gough, addressing the issue of
history/historicizing and collectively writing
on dance and technology and its repertoire).
http://dancetech.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=1462368%3ATopic%3A5961&page=3
Is there a repertoire in our art form?
which performance works are kept in repertory
and can be seen repeatedly, over the years,
perhaps also performed by different performers
(as we have all seen different
performed-versions of Balanchine's
choreographies, or Pina Bausch's Rite of Spring
or Kontakthof, for example............., or of
In the Middle, Somewhat Elevated... ). I was
thinking about history and the role of repertory
when i read a rather interesting review of New
York City Ballet?s new program ?Balanchine?s
World" (including the 1975 ?Le Tombeau de
Couperin,? .........
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/19/arts/dance/19bala.html?ref=dance
is there a repertory of works created in digital
performance, a repertory of computational dance
works, and are the core ideas, new compositional
(interactive, real-time) approaches to making
such works, the specific performer and design
techniques, software applications or live coding
practices, spatial / projective architectures
and scenographies , etc, passed on from
generation to generation? we might think, no,
not really ( with a few exceptions, such as in
Cunningham's company case, Trisha Brown's case,
or maybe Forsythe's company case whose members
are now making their own work or are directing
works, or in the case of numerous other artists
who have worked collaboratively with others,
but generally, such collaborative ad-hoc work,
or specific group-identified work, say, by Dumb
Type, Troika Ranch, kondiiton pluriel, Ventura
dance company, etc etc, is not re-created in
most cases (since dancers often are pick up and
the group changes casts from case to case....),
and this is one of the weaknesses of the "genre"
or the artform, it as yet lacks the sustained
and consistent signature work over decades -
driven by ensemble practice and rehearsal and
growth --- that we see in numerous cases in
the visual art, or in cases of performance
directors (Robert Wilson, Richard Foreman,
Meredith Monk. Tim Etchells, Jan Fabre, Jan
Lauwers, etc) and groups (Wooster Group,
Builders Association, Theatre Complicite, etc)
articulating their work consistently with an
intermedial dramaturgy.
There are numerous artists (digital artists and
designers) working close to our/in our field,
however, who have built work over one, two
decades, or more, and some video artists, film
artists (like Toni Dove) or conceptual artists
have walked the pathways (of installation art,
video art, participatory & interactional art,
audio art & electronic music, light art, kinetic
art/robotics) that now computational
performance or peformance-tech works tread, but
how do we speak of repertory here? i would love
to hear some comments from you.
Finally, i mentioned the Forsythe Company,
partly because i find an experimenting and risk
taking company of that stature, not unlike the
tremendous impact Pina Bausch has had on
tanztheater, quite significant as a "school" (of
training, of ideas, or methods, and of
perceptions) --- since there will have been
dancers over the years who are now
choreographers and teachers (as we see the
strong school and research model also of
P.A.R.T.S -- even though the latter does not
seem to generate much work in dance technology
---yet for its pedagocial and artistic
influence, please see: de Belder, Steven and
Theo van Rompay, eds., P.A.R.T.S ? Documenting
Ten Years of Contemporary Dance Education,
Brussels: P.A.R.T.S., 2006) and who pass on
their knowledge or take their knowledge down new
and modified roads.
case in point: Richard Siegal: ------ did
anyone see his concert in New York? i would
love to hear some comments and reactions here on
our list, do you know his work?
The NY Times reported: (Saturday, same issue as
the Balanchine review):
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/19/arts/dance/19bake.html?ref=dance
"A Leaf Spinning, Darting and Falling in an
Electronic Tempest of Light and Video" --
reading this review, one could get excited and
wishes to have been there, and i believe for
all of us that such interest (as it is aroused
here) would be good:
an interest in understanding and contextualizing
how dance technology (a clumsy term), i.e. how
digital performance and computational &
networked/distributed compositions have evolved
and are being deployed/situated in dance, in
installation, in locative mediaworks, in
networked performances, in multimedia theatre,
in screen based media works and other hybrids.
Oliver Grau and Popper speak of "virtual art"
(perhaps another odd name intended as
overarching category), and again most often
they describe (and chronologize) signature work
of artists with name recognition, some more,
some less, and seldom do such books address
performance art and performativities, training
and recompositions yielding repertory and
sustainable/expandable performer knowledge and
designer knowledge.
with regards
Johannes Birringer
Houston, TX
(A few other publications come to mind here, in this context:
Brouwer, Joke, with Arjen Mulder, Anne Nigten,
Laura Martz, eds., aRt&D: Artistic Research and
Development, Rotterdam: V2_Publishing/NAi
Publishers, 2005.Walker Arts Center. Art
Performs Life: Merce Cunningham/ Meredith Monk/
Bill T. Jones. Minneapolis: Print Craft, Inc.,
1998
Doherty. Claire (ed.): Contemporary Art from
Studio to Situation. London: Black Dog
Publishing, 2004.
Lipp, Nele, Körper, Leib, Raum: Eine
Ausstellung. Essen,: Art Print Publishers, 2005.
Dinkla, Söke and Martina Leeker, eds., Dance and
Technology/ Tanz und Technologie: Moving towards
Media Productions - Auf dem Weg zu medialen
Inszenierungen (Berlin: Alexander Verlag,
2002).
Dixon, Steve, Digital Performance: A History of
New Media in Theater, Dance, Performance Art,
and Installation (Cambridge, MA.: MIT Press,
2007)
Popper, Frank, From Technological to Virtual
Art, Cambridge: MIT Press, 2006
Buskirk, Martha, The Contingent Object of
Contemporary Art , Cambridge: MIT Press, 2006
Hansen, Mark B., Bodies in Code: Interfaces with
Digital Media, London: Routledge, 2006
Chapple, Freda & Kattenbelt, Chiel, eds.,
Intermediality in Theatre and Performance.
Amsterdam: Rodopi, 2006
Grau, Oliver, Virtual Art: From Illusion to
Immersion, Cambridge: MIT Press, 2003.
--
--------------------
Dawn Stoppiello
Executive Director
Artistic Co-Director
Troika Ranch
www.troikaranch.org
--------------------
In theory there is no difference between theory
and practice, in practice there is. --- Yogi Berra
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hello all:A very good reply has appeared on the dancetech-ning forum site, to my last post, and i should repost it here, if you wish (a response by Matt Gough, addressing the issue of history/historicizing and collectively writing on dance and technology and its repertoire). http://dancetech.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=1462368%3ATopic%3A5961&page=3
Is there a repertoire in our art form?which performance works are kept in repertory and can be seen repeatedly, over the years, perhaps also performed by different performers (as we have all seen different performed-versions of Balanchine's choreographies, or Pina Bausch's Rite of Spring or Kontakthof, for example............., or of In the Middle, Somewhat Elevated... ). I was thinking about history and the role of repertory when i read a rather interesting review of New York City Ballet?s new program ?Balanchine?s World" (including the 1975 ?Le Tombeau de Couperin,? .........
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/19/arts/dance/19bala.html?ref=danceis there a repertory of works created in digital performance, a repertory of computational dance works, and are the core ideas, new compositional (interactive, real-time) approaches to making such works, the specific performer and design techniques, software applications or live coding practices, spatial / projective architectures and scenographies , etc, passed on from generation to generation? we might think, no, not really ( with a few exceptions, such as in Cunningham's company case, Trisha Brown's case, or maybe Forsythe's company case whose members are now making their own work or are directing works, or in the case of numerous other artists who have worked collaboratively with others, but generally, such collaborative ad-hoc work, or specific group-identified work, say, by Dumb Type, Troika Ranch, kondiiton pluriel, Ventura dance company, etc etc, is not re-created in most cases (since dancers often are pick up and the group changes casts from case to case....), and this is one of the weaknesses of the "genre" or the artform, it as yet lacks the sustained and consistent signature work over decades - driven by ensemble practice and rehearsal and growth --- that we see in numerous cases in the visual art, or in cases of performance directors (Robert Wilson, Richard Foreman, Meredith Monk. Tim Etchells, Jan Fabre, Jan Lauwers, etc) and groups (Wooster Group, Builders Association, Theatre Complicite, etc) articulating their work consistently with an intermedial dramaturgy.
There are numerous artists (digital artists and designers) working close to our/in our field, however, who have built work over one, two decades, or more, and some video artists, film artists (like Toni Dove) or conceptual artists have walked the pathways (of installation art, video art, participatory & interactional art, audio art & electronic music, light art, kinetic art/robotics) that now computational performance or peformance-tech works tread, but how do we speak of repertory here? i would love to hear some comments from you.
Finally, i mentioned the Forsythe Company, partly because i find an experimenting and risk taking company of that stature, not unlike the tremendous impact Pina Bausch has had on tanztheater, quite significant as a "school" (of training, of ideas, or methods, and of perceptions) --- since there will have been dancers over the years who are now choreographers and teachers (as we see the strong school and research model also of P.A.R.T.S -- even though the latter does not seem to generate much work in dance technology ---yet for its pedagocial and artistic influence, please see: de Belder, Steven and Theo van Rompay, eds., P.A.R.T.S ? Documenting Ten Years of Contemporary Dance Education, Brussels: P.A.R.T.S., 2006) and who pass on their knowledge or take their knowledge down new and modified roads.
case in point: Richard Siegal: ------ did anyone see his concert in New York? i would love to hear some comments and reactions here on our list, do you know his work? The NY Times reported: (Saturday, same issue as the Balanchine review): http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/19/arts/dance/19bake.html?ref=dance
"A Leaf Spinning, Darting and Falling in an Electronic Tempest of Light and Video" -- reading this review, one could get excited and wishes to have been there, and i believe for all of us that such interest (as it is aroused here) would be good:
an interest in understanding and contextualizing how dance technology (a clumsy term), i.e. how digital performance and computational & networked/distributed compositions have evolved and are being deployed/situated in dance, in installation, in locative mediaworks, in networked performances, in multimedia theatre, in screen based media works and other hybrids. Oliver Grau and Popper speak of "virtual art" (perhaps another odd name intended as overarching category), and again most often they describe (and chronologize) signature work of artists with name recognition, some more, some less, and seldom do such books address performance art and performativities, training and recompositions yielding repertory and sustainable/expandable performer knowledge and designer knowledge.
with regards Johannes Birringer Houston, TX (A few other publications come to mind here, in this context:Brouwer, Joke, with Arjen Mulder, Anne Nigten, Laura Martz, eds., aRt&D: Artistic Research and Development, Rotterdam: V2_Publishing/NAi Publishers, 2005.Walker Arts Center. Art Performs Life: Merce Cunningham/ Meredith Monk/ Bill T. Jones. Minneapolis: Print Craft, Inc., 1998 Doherty. Claire (ed.): Contemporary Art from Studio to Situation. London: Black Dog Publishing, 2004. Lipp, Nele, Körper, Leib, Raum: Eine Ausstellung. Essen,: Art Print Publishers, 2005. Dinkla, Söke and Martina Leeker, eds., Dance and Technology/ Tanz und Technologie: Moving towards Media Productions - Auf dem Weg zu medialen Inszenierungen (Berlin: Alexander Verlag, 2002). Dixon, Steve, Digital Performance: A History of New Media in Theater, Dance, Performance Art, and Installation (Cambridge, MA.: MIT Press, 2007) Popper, Frank, From Technological to Virtual Art, Cambridge: MIT Press, 2006 Buskirk, Martha, The Contingent Object of Contemporary Art , Cambridge: MIT Press, 2006 Hansen, Mark B., Bodies in Code: Interfaces with Digital Media, London: Routledge, 2006 Chapple, Freda & Kattenbelt, Chiel, eds., Intermediality in Theatre and Performance. Amsterdam: Rodopi, 2006 Grau, Oliver, Virtual Art: From Illusion to Immersion, Cambridge: MIT Press, 2003.
- [dance-tech] Re: repertory worlds
- From: Nick Rothwell
- [dance-tech] "The World of Dance Tries Out New Moves on the Web.."
- From: Johannes Birringer
- [dance-tech] Re: Forum Dancetech-Ning on "How has the internet changed dance"
- From: Johannes Birringer
- [dance-tech] Re: repertory worlds
- From: Johannes Birringer