[dance-tech] Re: Sensordance, interactive game, webcam dramaturgy #3
- From: "Ludmila Pimentel" <ludmilapimentel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: Johannes.Birringer@xxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:12:44 -0300
Thanks you Birringer!
It is a pleasure.
I also want to go on the discussion:
about:
(1) on the theoretical/conceptual level, these forms of dancing with
digital technologies are constituting a widening spectrum of new
performance, and I just mentioned some "genres" of such work as these terms
(e.g. sensor choreography, for example) draw attention to a particular mode
of live composition or real time synthesis, as we would know it also from
the fields of electronic music or interactive art using certain specific
interfaces.
in your text "dance and interactivity" it is so clear to understand that the
pioneers in this field were the electronic artists or visual artists
working with interactivity, just recently the dance community wants to use
these possibilities, my first question it is a historical question, what we
can consider the first event in the fields of dance and technology? "Hole in
the space" of Galloway? or "Variations v" of Cage, Cunningham and
Rauschberg? and the first sofwtare "Very Nervous System" of Rokeby?
or Michael Noll?
I am so interested in theoretical/conceptual definitions, in my last writing
to the doctoral programm of visual arts in the Politechnic University of
Valencia, using Birringer and Gretchen Schiller´s writing I proposed that we
can have two levels: digital dance and interactive digital dance, because
sometime we are using a software to create digital dances but it is not an
interactive plataform, or we are using a digital media as a CD-ROM, but it
is not exactly interactive open.
about:
I was trying to argue that new interface designs in live performance alter
our older notions of dance and choreography. As they have altered our
practical work. modes of composition, and modes of real time synthesis in
live art.
I agree, we are changing our old "fouth wall" vision to two, three,
netvision...
about it I want to mention also that for me it was so interesting the
Birringer´s writing, and Lisa Naugle proposal about "Inteligent stage",
yeah! we do not have just a real and phisical space, nowadays we are using
computers, sofwaters, projectors, sensors, diferent interfaces, whatever
the idea of an "architectural space" for dance, Schiller also mentioned the
Appia´s studies and proposals about to build new spaces for dance. The
Bahaus concepts also changing it for dance,
when I saw some pieces of "Triadic Ballet" I realized that is the
pre-concept of a digital space for creating dance,
(for example, one would also need to distinguish, say, between a diptych or
triptych video installation, such as Bill Viola's current "Love/Death: The
Tristan Project", which is based on edited digital film; and a triptych
such as Stuart Simpson's "Formaggio Con Queso", which uses a generative
algorithm to randomly select the components of video, spoken word,
soundtrack and ambience from the database and "wobbles" them; and a
wobbled triptych such as the one I described where the dancer moves the
images and live-edits them from the interactive programmed data
bases)........
yeah! the director or choreographer is provocated to create in other
dimensions...other textures...
with other possibilities of space and time...
about:
(2) on the semantic and pragmatic level, your are quite right in raising
the question of the contents or the "sense" of what it is the performance
manifests.
I have rarely seen a discussion here on this list about what the works mean
and how they make sense and what kind of sense they make.
sure, we can do it about some works...
We often tend to talk about "technical scripts" or the methods of using
certain designs in performance, as we are weary of offering our own
interpretations of what we think our works express.
I think it is more easy to describe and talk about technical supports then
about creative process,
semantic concepts, a new construction of dramaturgy in dance, about what
will be a webcam dramaturgy, what is changing after Aristoteles
poesis...whatever...
about:
But you are asking about ideas and concepts behind or in the work, or
conveyed by the work.
I believe that we do tend to address our ideas and concepts in the
particular compositions we choose to enact, and I think my reference to
Troika Ranch ("16 (R)evolutions") and to Cloud Gate Dance Theatre's
"Cursive" was meant to raise questions about their visual and sense effect
on us -- both dance works, indeed, construct worlds and tell stories --
which we cannot always say about pieces generated in the dance technology
community. In both works mentioned above the choreography is coherent and
clear, I think, and completely developed with the scenograhic and/or
digital visualisations as an organic whole. Cloud Gate, in particular, is
using a movement form and a kinetic expressivity which is closely,
intimately, directly inspired by both calligraphy and martial arts
(intermixed with ballet, modern dance movement, t'ai chi and Peking Opera
styles), and the dance "writes" an emotional graphics, so to speak, which
is very powerfully culturally located (in the ancient Chinese traditions of
calligraphy as a visual and narrative art), thus also make a ;political
statement, as well as abstracted in the overall stage pictures of
"flowing ink" or floating forms......, and thus thoroughly modernist. To
describe Troika Ranch's piece in modernist or postmodernist terms is more
difficult. Their choreography is conventional, the transformational quality
of live movement/digital visualization is eccentric, the humanist
(evolutionary) ethos is supplanted by the posthuman technicity of the
visual writing which is perhaps from the body but it is dis/sociative. The
virtual writing could be said to be telecommunicational, it has no
culturally locatable context and is not subject to being contextualized,
therefore categorized or conceptualized.
oh, it is a pity that I can not see 16(R) yet! I am trying to order it.I
just saw a small piece in the web. But I saw the "Future of memory" in
video, and I also have some commentaries to do. I also know "the chemical
wedding of...", all of them Troika Ranch´s production. I love the technical
support that the Troika has, but I sometime do not agree with the modern
construction of movement in their work, for me if we have new paradigms of
technical support we also have new questions to the body. In Brazil I am
used to see more "desconstruction" movement, probably because our dance
history is more recent and more open, it is more easy to create new bodies
with new lenguages...
I could tell you more about "See you in Walhalla" and its movement
language, if you asked me.
please when you mention any work if it has any webaddress I woul like to
knowm, ok?
this work, who is the choreographer?
As an aside,....... it seems to me that we are at an interesting point in
time, no?
For me great!
the dance tech list is quiet lately, the urge to discuss technics and
meanings of new dance works seems dormant.
New writings in the dance scholarship arena? hmmmm.
about:
"Exhausting Dance: Performance and the Politics of Movement" , by Andre
Lepecki, (London: Routledge,2006) leaves me quite cold, its obsession with
melancholic solipsism in choreography and its favouring of the
deconstructionist "still-acts" of Konzept-Tanz seem philosophically as far
removed from our practice as the tired poststructuralist musings on
"absence" and "presence" in Gerald Siegmund: Abwesenheit: Eine
performative Ästhetik des Tanzes (Wetzlar: transcript, 2006).
Probably more provocative for our discussions might be two recent
dissertations, which tend to address the new technologies of movement
philosophically, practically, and spiritually:
Olu Taiwo, "Interfacing with my Interface", PhD thesis, University of
Southampton 2006.
and
Sher Doruff': "The Translocal Event and the Polyrhythmic Diagram". (PhD
thesis, University of London, 2006) Go to SD's website for the text
(http://spresearch.waag.org/papers.html)
Thanks a lot for it!
I want to mention the new book of Sita Popat! "Invisible Connections: Dance,
Choreography and Internet Communities (Innovations in Art and Design)".
Any responses to these writings?
I am also waiting...
regards
Johannes Birringer
Interaktionslabor
http://interaktionslabor.de
thanks a lot,
Ludmila Pimentel
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Thanks you Birringer! It is a pleasure.
I also want to go on the discussion:
I believe that we do tend to address our ideas and concepts in the particular compositions we choose to enact, and I think my reference to Troika Ranch ("16 (R)evolutions") and to Cloud Gate Dance Theatre's "Cursive" was meant to raise questions about their visual and sense effect on us -- both dance works, indeed, construct worlds and tell stories -- which we cannot always say about pieces generated in the dance technology community. In both works mentioned above the choreography is coherent and clear, I think, and completely developed with the scenograhic and/or digital visualisations as an organic whole. Cloud Gate, in particular, is using a movement form and a kinetic expressivity which is closely, intimately, directly inspired by both calligraphy and martial arts (intermixed with ballet, modern dance movement, t'ai chi and Peking Opera styles), and the dance "writes" an emotional graphics, so to speak, which is very powerfully culturally located (in the ancient Chinese traditions of calligraphy as a visual and narrative art), thus also make a ;political statement, as well as abstracted in the overall stage pictures of "flowing ink" or floating forms......, and thus thoroughly modernist. To describe Troika Ranch's piece in modernist or postmodernist terms is more difficult. Their choreography is conventional, the transformational quality of live movement/digital visualization is eccentric, the humanist (evolutionary) ethos is supplanted by the posthuman technicity of the visual writing which is perhaps from the body but it is dis/sociative. The virtual writing could be said to be telecommunicational, it has no culturally locatable context and is not subject to being contextualized, therefore categorized or conceptualized.
As an aside,....... it seems to me that we are at an interesting point in time, no?
New writings in the dance scholarship arena? hmmmm.
Olu Taiwo, "Interfacing with my Interface", PhD thesis, University of Southampton 2006.
and
Sher Doruff': "The Translocal Event and the Polyrhythmic Diagram". (PhD thesis, University of London, 2006) Go to SD's website for the text (http://spresearch.waag.org/papers.html)
Any responses to these writings?
regards Johannes Birringer Interaktionslabor http://interaktionslabor.de
thanks a lot, Ludmila Pimentel