probably not. is the file linked in to assp? I am off to see warehouse 13. I'll respond in the am On Sep 19, 2011, at 8:22 PM, aklist wrote: > On 9/19/2011 4:16 PM, TR Shaw wrote: >> I don't know what to tell you since I can't see your config. The key is to >> make the assp email control go to assp and not to eims. I don't think its a >> problem of hosting both on the same machine since there is effectively no >> difference than my config. It has to be something in your config in DNS or >> ASSP. Since you have your own DNS and since I assume EIMS queries your own >> DNS why not try a bs domain such as aks_assp.com and put it in your host >> list.? Just a thought. >> >> Tom > > Tom, one more piece of the puzzle...I have a "localdomains" file in ASSP > that's populated with the same domains listed in the "localusers". > > Do I need the "localdomains" file if I'm putting the bare domains in > "localusers"? > >> >> On Sep 19, 2011, at 7:09 PM, aklist wrote: >> >>> On 9/19/2011 3:49 PM, TR Shaw wrote: >>>> Ah. I think so because without the @ it will pattern match on >>>> searchpartner.pro just as easily as assp.searchpartner.pro. >>> >>> Hmmm...I went ahead and added all the email addresses into localusers.txt >>> for that domain, restarted ASSP, but I'm still getting the mail-loop error. >>> >>> I just verified that "searchpartner.pro" is not in localusers.txt except >>> with "user@" in front of it, but still looping :( >>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 19, 2011, at 6:45 PM, aklist wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 9/19/2011 3:17 PM, TR Shaw wrote: >>>>>> You need to work on why assp thinks it should forward the mail to port >>>>>> 125. That's your problem. Do you have assp.searchpartner.pro set as a >>>>>> loacal domain to forward to EIMS? >>>>>> >>>>> Thanks for bearing with me on this, Tom. I appreciate your help! >>>>> >>>>> I have all my local domains set in ASSP's localusers.txt. Just the >>>>> domains, with "use entries without leading '@' as domains" checked. >>>>> >>>>> I have "searchpartner.pro" there, but not "assp.searchpartner.pro" >>>>> >>>>> Is there any setting in ASSP that would automatically treat subdomains as >>>>> part of the primary domain? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 19, 2011, at 5:52 PM, aklist wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/19/2011 1:39 PM, TR Shaw wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> analyze-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx is setup in ASSP as the email from >>>>>>>> which to analyze spam? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is what happens in ASSP's log: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sep-19-11 14:49:55 Connected: xxx.xxx.xxx.130:62681 -> >>>>>>> xxx.xxx.xxx.130:25 (listenPort) -> 127.0.0.1:125; >>>>>>> Sep-19-11 14:49:55 31646-50341 [Local] xxx.xxx.xxx.130<me@xxxxxx> >>>>>>> to: report-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- xxx.xxx.xxx.130 in >>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Rejected ACH transfer] -> >>>>>>> notspam/31646-50341.eml; >>>>>>> Sep-19-11 14:49:55 Disconnected: xxx.xxx.xxx.130; >>>>>>> Sep-19-11 14:49:55 Connected: xxx.xxx.xxx.130:62683 -> >>>>>>> xxx.xxx.xxx.130:25 (listenPort) -> 127.0.0.1:125; >>>>>>> Sep-19-11 14:49:55 31646-50342 [Local] xxx.xxx.xxx.130<me@xxxxxx> >>>>>>> to: report-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- xxx.xxx.xxx.130 in >>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Rejected ACH transfer] -> >>>>>>> notspam/31646-50342.eml; >>>>>>> >>>>>>> which repeats until the "oversized header" occurs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2011, at 4:31 PM, aklist wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 9/19/2011 1:23 PM, TR Shaw wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Since you are on a single machine you need >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> searchpartner.pro to have an MX record >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it does: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Non-authoritative answer: >>>>>>>>> searchpartner.pro MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = >>>>>>>>> mail.searchpartner. >>>>>>>>> pro >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> mail.searchpartner.pro internet address = xxx.xxx.xxx.130 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and assp.searchpartner.pro an A record >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it does: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Non-authoritative answer: >>>>>>>>> Name: assp.searchpartner.pro >>>>>>>>> Address: xxx.xxx.xxx.130 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> AND assp.searchpartner.pro cannot be in EIMS alias list. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it is not, the only thing in the EIMS alias list is >>>>>>>>> "searchpartner.pro" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2011, at 3:42 PM, aklist wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/2011 11:41 AM, TR Shaw wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> AK >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx must point to assp.mail.enigmedia.com >>>>>>>>>>>> and eima must not know about assp.mail.enigmedia.com or >>>>>>>>>>>> assp.enigmedia.com is its domain alias >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> assp is on assp.oitc.com >>>>>>>>>>>> eims is on mail.oitc.com >>>>>>>>>>>> mail sent to analyze-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx will be analyzed and all >>>>>>>>>>>> the email I/F works. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> OK, I tried setting it up again: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> assp is on assp.searchpartner.pro:25 >>>>>>>>>>> eims is on mail.searchpartner.pro:125 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> attempting to send to analyze-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx returns: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The following message could not be delivered to >>>>>>>>>>> analyze-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx at host assp.searchpartner.pro >>>>>>>>>>> (xxx.xxx.xxx.130) because the message content was rejected. >>>>>>>>>>> 554 5.7.1 possible mailloop - oversized header (10014) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is it an issue with ASSP and EIMS running on the same server? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tom >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2011, at 1:37 PM, aklist wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/7/2011 6:46 AM, aklist wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/2011 6:59 PM, TR Shaw wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just create a host record with and A. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom, I'm coming back to this one more time, trying to grok what >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm doing wrong. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eims is running with a default domain of mail.enigmedia.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> ASSP is running as assp.mail.enigmedia.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I created an A record in enigmedia.com DNS called >>>>>>>>>>>>> "assp.enigmedia.com" that points to the ip of the mailserver. If >>>>>>>>>>>>> I try to forward spam to "assp.enigmedia.com" I get an error: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The following message could not be delivered to >>>>>>>>>>>>> assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>>>>> because the domain assp.enigmedia.com does not exist. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel like I'm missing something obvious, but not sure what? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2011, at 8:05 PM, aklist wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/6/2011 4:40 PM, TR Shaw wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No mx alias. Just the A. Mail can go to an A. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meh...this domain is managed by NetSol's DNS...all I can seem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is create a subdomain MX record, not an A record. I'll have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the DNS to my own servers and try again. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I'm not sure what's wrong at this point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I set up a new sub domain with no MX records and just a default >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A record >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pointing to the server (in DNS). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The subdomain does not exist in EIMS, but it does exist in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "localAddresses_flat" file. That didn't work, so I removed it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> localAddresses_flat file as well in ASSP. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also removed the "defaultlocalhost" entry for the default >>>>>>>>>>>>>> local domain >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (had been "mail.mydomain.com") in ASSP. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASSP is still routing mail for "assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> EIMS. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure if maybe the EIMS server is caching something DNS >>>>>>>>>>>>>> related? I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> still getting a mailloop error...thanks for any insights. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 Connected: 76.126.148.230:49651 -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx:587 (listenPort2) -> 127.0.0.1:1587; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00000 [Local] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 76.126.148.230<me@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- authenticated -- [Fwd: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Re:Hello] -> notspam/31272-00000.eml; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 Connected: 216.218.xxx.xxx:49399 -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx:25 (listenPort) -> 127.0.0.1:125; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00001 [Local] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx<me@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- 216.218.xxx.xxx in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Re:Hello] -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notspam/31272-00001.eml; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 Disconnected: 76.126.148.230; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00003 [Local] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx<me@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- 216.218.xxx.xxx in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Re:Hello] -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notspam/31272-00003.eml; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00005 [Local] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx<me@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- 216.218.xxx.xxx in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Re:Hello] -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notspam/31272-00005.eml; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 Disconnected: 216.218.xxx.xxx; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 Connected: 216.218.xxx.xxx:49401 -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx:25 (listenPort) -> 127.0.0.1:125; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00006 [Local] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx<me@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- 216.218.xxx.xxx in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Re:Hello] -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notspam/31272-00006.eml; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00008 [Local] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx<me@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- 216.218.xxx.xxx in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Re:Hello] -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notspam/31272-00008.eml; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00010 [Local] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx<me@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- 216.218.xxx.xxx in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Re:Hello] -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notspam/31272-00010.eml; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 Disconnected: 216.218.xxx.xxx; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 Connected: 216.218.xxx.xxx:49403 -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx:25 (listenPort) -> 127.0.0.1:125; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00011 [Local] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx<me@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- 216.218.xxx.xxx in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Re:Hello] -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notspam/31272-00011.eml; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00013 [Local] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx<me@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- 216.218.xxx.xxx in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Re:Hello] -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notspam/31272-00013.eml; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00015 [Local] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx<me@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- 216.218.xxx.xxx in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Re:Hello] -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notspam/31272-00015.eml; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00017 [Local] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx<me@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- 216.218.xxx.xxx in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Re:Hello] -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notspam/31272-00017.eml; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 Disconnected: 216.218.xxx.xxx; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 Connected: 216.218.xxx.xxx:49405 -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx:25 (listenPort) -> 127.0.0.1:125; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00018 [Local] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx<me@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- 216.218.xxx.xxx in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Re:Hello] -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notspam/31272-00018.eml; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00020 [Local] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx<me@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- 216.218.xxx.xxx in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Re:Hello] -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notspam/31272-00020.eml; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00022 [Local] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx<me@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- 216.218.xxx.xxx in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Re:Hello] -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notspam/31272-00022.eml; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 Disconnected: 216.218.xxx.xxx; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 Connected: 216.218.xxx.xxx:49407 -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx:25 (listenPort) -> 127.0.0.1:125; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00023 [Local] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx<me@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- 216.218.xxx.xxx in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Re:Hello] -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notspam/31272-00023.eml; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 Disconnected: 216.218.xxx.xxx; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 Connected: 216.218.xxx.xxx:49409 -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx:25 (listenPort) -> 127.0.0.1:125; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00024 [Local] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx<me@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- 216.218.xxx.xxx in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Re:Hello] -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notspam/31272-00024.eml; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00026 [Local] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx<me@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- 216.218.xxx.xxx in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Re:Hello] -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notspam/31272-00026.eml; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00028 [Local] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx<me@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- 216.218.xxx.xxx in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Re:Hello] -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notspam/31272-00028.eml; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 Disconnected: 216.218.xxx.xxx; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 Connected: 216.218.xxx.xxx:49411 -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx:25 (listenPort) -> 127.0.0.1:125; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00029 [Local] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx<me@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- 216.218.xxx.xxx in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Re:Hello] -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notspam/31272-00029.eml; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00031 [Local] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 216.218.xxx.xxx<me@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx local -- 216.218.xxx.xxx in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> acceptAllMail -- [Fwd: Re:Hello] -> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notspam/31272-00031.eml; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aug-07-11 06:37:58 31272-00033 [OversizedHeader] 216.218.xxx.xxx >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <me@xxxxxxxxxx> to: assp-spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Possible >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mailloop: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Headerlength (10042)> 10000; 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