I wish some one would have told me that i had the link to andy's view wrong. anyway it's fixed now. also i added some more text from andy's email the other day. Andy, let me know if i need to change anything. http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/cad.page3.html -- Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of DOS, and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings. http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/ http://www.freelists.org/list/cad-linux