[cablewiki] Re: Newsletter #1
- From: Robert McLeod <hamstar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: cablewiki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:24:44 +1300
Sounds good, I can get cablebot to do that.
I added to that analysis page
http://www.sostfu.com/index.php?title=Analysis:00HARARE6677 as you can see
each template adds a category to the analysis so you can easily find a list
of analyses that don't have a certain feature. We should also have guides
to writing analyses linked from the templates.
I was wondering though, are we going to bother formatting cables nicely in
the wiki? Or just do that citation thing? I thought that was half the job
to make them nicer for people to read but could be a big job.
Cheers,
Robert
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:00 PM, <tingalingaling@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> I did a markup of what I think the Analysis page should look like,
> based on the first comments I made about keeping user activity
> going: http://i.imgur.com/adAxk.png
>
> There are a number of main areas we need to focus on:
>
> 1. Getting CableBot to insert pages in the Analysis and Translation
> pages.
> 2. Changing the Table Parser to work with this new system.
> 3. Writing Extensions for the features in the link above.
> 4. Setting up the Translate plugins on MediaWiki.
> 5. *Most importantly* Building up a list of interested people, what
> languages they work in, how much time they would be willing to give
> to the project, etc. Without this there is no point in continuing.
>
> I can start working on 2 and 3. I presume Robert will take 1, and
> perhaps help with 4.
>
> I know a lot of us don't have much free time (I don't either), so
> I'm not trying to pressure people into putting in more time than
> they have.
>
> On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 23:06:37 +0000 Robert McLeod
> <hamstar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >Hey guys,
> >
> >Got some great ideas coming out. Here's some things I mocked up
> >that I
> >would like to draw your attention to. Not sure if this is how we
> >want to do
> >it but I envisioned having an Analysis:CABLEID page for each cable
> >and
> >language.
> >
> >If you look at
> >00HARARE6677<http://cablewiki.net/index.php?title=00HARARE6677>and
> >00HARARE6677/de
> ><http://cablewiki.net/index.php?title=00HARARE6677/de> you
> >will see at the top the template
> >Analysis<http://cablewiki.net/index.php?title=Template:Analysis>and
> >
> >Analysis/de
> ><http://cablewiki.net/index.php?title=Template:Analysis/de>.
> >They provide a link to to
> >Analysis:00HARARE6677<http://cablewiki.net/index.php?title=Analysis
> >:00HARARE6677>and
> >Analysis:00HARARE6677/de<http://cablewiki.net/index.php?title=Analy
> >sis:00HARARE6677/de>
> >.
> >
> >Once we have this part sorted out I can make a bot to create all
> >the
> >required pages. Even empty pages (apart from subheadings) so
> >people can
> >just click the edit button on a subheading and type stuff.
> >
> >We will also need to get help from people versed in both English
> >and {other
> >language} as reviewers able to lock the cables {other language}
> >page once
> >they are satisfied with the translation. As already stated the
> >english page
> >should be locked - but I reckon we should lock it after its been
> >formatted
> >to an acceptable standard (i.e. not in all caps, correct
> >subheadings, layout
> >etc etc) which 00HARARE6677 is not lol.
> >
> >Also tingalingaling which table from your site do you speak of?
> >
> >I think everything has been good ideas so far :)
> >
> >I'm back at work full time on the 10th but weekends I work
> >nightshift so
> >will be able to work on stuff then since theres not much work to
> >do at
> >nights and will be awake at the same time as you people on the
> >other side of
> >the world.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Robert/translucent
> >
> >On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:05 PM, <tingalingaling@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >wrote:
> >
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> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> I run cablegatewiki.org.
> >>
> >> The translating section may be easier than I thought. There is
> >an
> >> extension for Mediawiki called Translate that does everything we
> >> need: Here is an example -
> >>
> >http://userbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALanguageStats&cod
> >e
> >>
> >=es<http://userbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALanguageStats
> >&code%0A=es>
> >>
> >> The analysis section of the site could use all the code from my
> >> site.
> >>
> >> As I see it, here's what needs to be done before launch:
> >>
> >> * Get the CableBot to create pages for each cable both analysis
> >and
> >> translation (separate namespaces). Protect the English version
> >of
> >> the cable to stop it from being edited.
> >> * Configure the MW Babel and Translate plugins (no programming
> >> skills required).
> >> * Copy the existing translations and summaries from both sites
> >to
> >> the new site.
> >> * Modify the table on my site to work with the new site.
> >>
> >> Tomorrow I'm going to set up everything that's on
> >cablegatewiki.org
> >> on github so that any programmers can work on it.
> >>
> >> I will also set up a private wiki on cablegatewiki.org for the
> >new
> >> site, so that non-programmers can start adding content to it.
> >>
> >> I think with a few people we could put the site together in less
> >> than a week.
> >>
> >> Did you add Translucent to the mailing list?
> >>
> >> P.S. I got a gmail address, can you add futuremelt@xxxxxxxxx to
> >the
> >> list?
> >>
> >> On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:13:36 +0000 cbr <espejosvivos@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >> >Hi Jay, and everyone else!
> >> >
> >> >Wow, all this you tell us sound great! To create a unique site
> >> >that
> >> >put togethers the best things of all these sites (cablewiki,
> >> >cablegatewiki, cablegategame and kabelsearch).. would be just
> >> >incredible!
> >> >
> >> >But you are right when you say that this is a really huge work,
> >> >and
> >> >definitively there have to be a good number of people involved
> >in
> >> >it.
> >> >But, I think that can't be a problem! We just need to spread
> >the
> >> >word.
> >> >In twitter, irc, and all the places that have emerged in the
> >last
> >> >month, dedicated to wikileaks or anonymous operations... there
> >> >hare
> >> >hundreds of them and of people behind them, and aporting
> >material
> >> >to
> >> >them everyday... And what that means, is that there are really
> >a
> >> >lot
> >> >of people willing to make things, and doing them, inverting
> >their
> >> >time
> >> >to do usefull things related with all of that, so if you give
> >them
> >> >such a great project as this one, I'm sure they will be more
> >than
> >> >happy to contribute. So, I think that first thing, must be to
> >> >spread
> >> >the info about this project as much as we can!
> >> >
> >> >About my own personal possibilites to contribute, I
> >unfortunately
> >> >I
> >> >have no abilities as a programmer, so I can't help very much
> >with
> >> >the
> >> >tougher part of the merge of the sites.. but I can help with
> >any
> >> >other
> >> >thing needed, that I'm sure will be plenty. In the other hand,
> >I'm
> >> >within a spanish collective where there a lot of be people I'm
> >> >sure
> >> >will want to help, and most of them are really good
> >programmers,
> >> >so I
> >> >will tell them.
> >> >
> >> >In any case, some concrete ideas? As I have said, I think that
> >the
> >> >first is to recruit the maximum number of people, and to know
> >how
> >> >many
> >> >we are before starting the hard work. So I would say, twitter,
> >an
> >> >irc
> >> >channel, maybe a poster to post it in several places,... don't
> >> >know,
> >> >things like those.
> >> >
> >> >..I have not understand very well what you said about the
> >mailing
> >> >list... I don't know if I am in it or no..¿?. In any case, if I
> >am
> >> >not, I would really like to, to follow and participate in the
> >> >discussions and the organization of the project.
> >> >
> >> >Cheers!
> >> >Carlos.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >2011/1/2 <admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Folks,
> >> >>
> >> >> To those whom I haven't spoken to since last Year, happy
> >2011!
> >> >>
> >> >> Now, a few words about this mailing list. I've created this
> >> >because I'm
> >> >> starting to get overstrained with communicating over hundreds
> >of
> >> >different
> >> >> chanels: Twitter, IRC, Email, Discussion Page, Instant
> >> >Messaging,... Problem
> >> >> was, that wherever I tried to communicate something, there
> >was
> >> >always
> >> >> someone who didn't get the message. So I've dugg out this
> >> >antique invention
> >> >> form the last millenium called mailinglist. I've personally
> >> >never liked
> >> >> them, because discussions tend to get out of hand very fast.
> >So
> >> >I urge you
> >> >> to stay on topic and keep it short. But I hope this will
> >finally
> >> >create an
> >> >> organized community. Some of you may receive this as a
> >regular
> >> >email. This
> >> >> is because I didn't want to put you on the mailinglist
> >without
> >> >asking you
> >> >> beforehand. So if you want to get updates on CableWiki and
> >want
> >> >to
> >> >> participate in the discussion, please drop me a note at
> >> >admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>
> >> >> So I think it's best to provide you with a little update on
> >the
> >> >latest
> >> >> developpments:
> >> >>
> >> >> # Translucent (hamstar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx) has managed to upload
> >a
> >> >complete
> >> >> archieve of the released Cables using LeekFead.com and his
> >> >wikibot
> >> >> "CableBot". Now we have an entire database with cables,
> >> >structured and even
> >> >> tagged.
> >> >>
> >> >> # We've arranged several cooperations/mergers:
> >> >>
> >> >> ## KabelKearch.org: The guy behind this project wants to
> >create
> >> >an open
> >> >> database with separated content, summaries, tags, origins,
> >> >dates, etc. It is
> >> >> planned that we will create a united database and do cross
> >> >linking.
> >> >> Translucent is currently working on the integration.
> >> >>
> >> >> ## CablegateGame.com: Cable Game is a crowdsourcing effort to
> >> >tag and
> >> >> summarize the cables utilizing game elements like a
> >leaderboard.
> >> >Translucent
> >> >> has talked to the creater and he's told us that we could use
> >his
> >> >database of
> >> >> summaries. It's also in discussion whether we could also
> >share
> >> >our Tag
> >> >> lists. They could supplement each other quite well, since our
> >> >taggs are
> >> >> created from the TAGS provided by the cables itself, whereas
> >the
> >> >Tags at
> >> >> Cable Game are user submitted.
> >> >>
> >> >> ## CablegateWiki.org: Is a project quite similar to ours, but
> >> >started one
> >> >> week later than we and is a bit smaller in user numbers. But
> >> >they have
> >> >> created a very good rating system and a quite useful browsing
> >> >table with
> >> >> dropdown menues. They have also a better social network
> >> >integration than we.
> >> >> I've asked the founder of cablegatewiki to contribute to our
> >> >project. Here's
> >> >> his (shortened) response:
> >> >>
> >> >> <cablegatewiki>
> >> >> Hi JayP,
> >> >>
> >> >> I won't have much time to manage the site. Therefore, I'd
> >> >> like to merge our sites together and redirect
> >ablegatewiki.org
> >> >to your site.
> >> >> I am happy to send you code for what I've done, once I've
> >tidied
> >> >it up and
> >> >> checked it for security. This includes:
> >> >>
> >> >> * The citation generator
> >> >> * The dropdown search and Tablegate parser
> >> >> * Automatic cable updates from Leakfeed to the database.
> >> >> * Automatic page generation of new cables from the database
> >> >> * User rating bar (modified version of W4G Rating Bar
> >extension)
> >> >> * The Twitter widget
> >> >> * Facebook/Twitter "like" buttons
> >> >> * Extension that gets your site logo and title to show up
> >> >correctly when
> >> >> pasted on Facebook/Digg/Reddit
> >> >>
> >> >> There are also some existing Mediawiki plugins I am using
> >which
> >> >I found
> >> >> useful:
> >> >> * Extension:Terminology
> >> >> * Extension:Recaptcha (I have fixed the bugs that stop it
> >> >working on MW
> >> >> 0.16)
> >> >> * Extension:Cite (for references)
> >> >>
> >> >> He's also said some interesting things about how to improve
> >> >cablewiki. It
> >> >> started as a discussion about whether to have
> >> >> translation/summary/analasys/cable in one article or to
> >separate
> >> >it:
> >> >>
> >> >> * "Information Overload": Simply put, if there is too much
> >> >> information on a website that a user does not want to read,
> >they
> >> >are not
> >> >> likely to keep visiting or contributing. People visit the
> >site,
> >> >not just to
> >> >> contribute, but to find information that interests them.
> >> >> * Status: Users are competitive. "Points" systems work on
> >sites
> >> >like
> >> >> digg/reddit/stackoverflow etc. I want to put a widget on the
> >> >main page that
> >> >> shows the number of edits a user has made each week.
> >> >> * Showing activity: The main page should show not just what
> >the
> >> >site is
> >> >> about, but also what is happening. New content has to be
> >> >*visible* to keep
> >> >> users interest. I plan to write an extension that shows the
> >> >recent "quality
> >> >> changes" (in my case Needs Attention/OK/Good Quality) on the
> >> >site.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The Translation Problem
> >> >> =======================
> >> >> I go to your site to look for summaries and analysis, but
> >most
> >> >of the cables
> >> >> contain just the contents of the cable, which is
> >> >> frustrating. This is a typical "information overload" issue,
> >I
> >> >> can't find information I want in the mass of data. I
> >understand
> >> >that you
> >> >> need the text on the page for the translation, and I have a
> >> >proposed
> >> >> solution: The "translation" and "analysis" sections of the
> >> >website need to
> >> >> be separated.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't know if you noticed the "citation generator" on my
> >site,
> >> >that lets
> >> >> you link directly to highlighted parts of the cable. It works
> >> >great for
> >> >> summary and analysis, but obviously not for translation.
> >> >>
> >> >> Have two main areas of the site, one for "analysis" and one
> >for
> >> >> "translation", with links off the main page. The "analysis"
> >side
> >> >would be
> >> >> laid out like cablegatewiki.org.
> >> >>
> >> >> The translation side would work as follows: Take a look at
> >this:
> >> >>
> >>
> >>http://www.wikileakswiki.org/index.php?title=09MADRID673&action=fo
> >r
> >> >medit.
> >> >>
> >> >> That's the Semantic Mediawiki plugin that lets you edit pages
> >> >> using forms. Imagine when editing a translation, if each
> >> >paragraph of the
> >> >> cable could be shown above a text field, so instead of users
> >> >having to copy
> >> >> over cables and translate all at once (which is messy), they
> >> >could just
> >> >> translate paragraphs as they want. This would also let users
> >> >filter
> >> >> translations by how many paragraphs have been translated etc.
> >> >and then the
> >> >> cable could be shown right beside the translation on the wiki
> >> >page
> >> >> (something like this:
> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amhr%C3%A1n_na_bhFiann#Verses).
> >> >>
> >> >> I am happy to start developing the translation plugin but it
> >> >would take a
> >> >> few weeks because I will be busy.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't recommend merging the Context and Impact sections.
> >> >> "Context" gives the user some background information that
> >helps
> >> >them to
> >> >> understand the content of the cable. "Impact" contains all
> >the
> >> >juicy details
> >> >> of the cable, the stuff people want to read if they're just
> >> >browsing through
> >> >> the site.
> >> >>
> >> >> In response to your questions: The cable database is on the
> >same
> >> >server, and
> >> >> synchronises from Leakfeed.com. The Infobox, Tablegate, and
> >> >Dropdown
> >> >> extensions all use this database to filter, browse and
> >> >categorise cables. By
> >> >> keeping this information in the database instead of on the
> >wiki,
> >> >it prevents
> >> >> the source material being vandalised and takes off a load of
> >> >work. I am
> >> >> hosted on GoDaddy.
> >> >>
> >> >> [...]
> >> >>
> >> >> If you want to do this, I could redirect my site to yours,
> >and
> >> >you put up a
> >> >> notice on the front page saying we are all developing a new
> >> >system together
> >> >> (CableWiki, CablegateWiki & Kablesearch). We would then use
> >my
> >> >hosting to
> >> >> develop the new system and launch it on cablewiki.org when
> >we're
> >> >ready.
> >> >> </cablegatewiki>
> >> >>
> >> >> I think those are some very good ideas. The problem is, I
> >have
> >> >neither the
> >> >> time nor the nowledge to do this with the current ammount of
> >> >support comming
> >> >> from the community. I've spent a lot of time in this project
> >and
> >> >I hoped
> >> >> that it would encourage others to do so, too. This worked in
> >the
> >> >first few
> >> >> days but now the support has slowed down. I've put my heart
> >and
> >> >soul into
> >> >> cablewiki and I would love to see the site grow, but I have
> >> >other things to
> >> >> do, too.
> >> >> So I hope some of you will volunteer to help us with a
> >merger.
> >> >Otherwise I
> >> >> will have to leave the site as it is. But if enough people
> >would
> >> >contribute,
> >> >> we'd have the chance to create a new system on our own
> >server,
> >> >so we'd have
> >> >> much more possibilities than now. I think we could create
> >> >something really
> >> >> powerful.
> >> >> So, what do you think of it?
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheerio,
> >> >>
> >> >> JayP
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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