[bristol-birds] Re: Kirtland's Warbler

Visual identification is nice but a bird's call can and, in this case, has
been used for idenfication and establishment of the time, place, habitat,
and other orthinological parameters.  What good are behaviorial observations
manipulated by the observer, outside of a research context?  The information
is potentially scientifically useful only if dissiminated and incorporated
into a credible and accessable database of some kind.  Where will this data
ultimately reside, interesting though it may briefly be, other than in a
personal bird list and a lot of "deleted" e-mail folders?

Sorry to appear argumentative but the issue did come up.  I believe it
better to sit back, watch and listen, and let the birds do their thing
without interference.  Sometimes you see them and sometimes you only hear
them.  Those are the breaks of birding.

I won't be drawn into any arguments about feeders and "baiting".

Jack Litz











----- Original Message -----
From: <sawwhet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bristol-birds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 2:36 PM
Subject: [bristol-birds] Re: Kirtland's Warbler


> I also agree that most general birding does not qualify as research.  But
in the field of ornithology and especially considering such a rare species
any sightings, records, behavior observations...etc. qualifies as valuable
scientific information.
>
> Greg Harris
> Environmental Specialist
> Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation
> Nashville, Tennessee
>
> On Fri, 10 May 2002 14:15:16 -0400 Jack Litz <wjlitz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> Most general birding hardly qualifies as research.  I tend to favor
leaving
> the birds alone unless you "pish and squeek" to get a bird just to stick
its
> head up for an instant.  I have asked Cornell to provide their take on use
> of recorded calls for general birding and also for their research
> guidelines.  .
>
> Jack Litz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <sawwhet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bristol-birds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 2:05 PM
> Subject: [bristol-birds] Re: Kirtland's Warbler
>
>
> >
> > But on the other hand in the case of a Kirkland's warbler, it seems to
me
> we want to have a definite confirmation of its identity and detailed
> information on its location and the duration of its stay.  Since there was
> no "sighting" maybe the gentleman's playing the recorded call was
> appropriate to get a visual confirmation.  Would "pishing and squeaking"
> also cause the same distress to the birds?
> >
> > Greg Harris
> > Environmental Specialist
> > Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation
> > Nashville, Tennessee
> > On Fri, 10 May 2002 13:56:51 -0400 Jack Litz <wjlitz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > I tend to agree with Marion.  Small migratory birds have enough to do
> > without having to expend energy and time on potential mates or
territorial
> > threats that arn't there.  Predator calls can also be disruptive.  When
> > playing or making bird calls interrupts important activities, stresses
the
> > birds, or causes them to misallocate critical energy reserves,  it could
> > come under the catagory of "harassing wildlife" which is against the law
> > some places.
> >
> > Seems like playing or making bird calls should have a legitimate place
in
> > birding though.  Has anyone seen any guidelines on this?  I'll check
with
> > the folks at Cornell to see if they have come to grips with this issue.
> No
> > artificial bird calls during breeding season seems like a good start.
> >
> > Jack Litz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marion Finucane" <marion@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bristol-birds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 12:31 PM
> > Subject: [bristol-birds] Re: Kirtland's Warbler
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Is it ethical to play recordings of bird songs particularly during
> > breeding
> > > season?
> > > My father frowned upon this practice. He preferred listening to
> > > interferring.
> > >
> > > Marion Finucane
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: bristol-birds-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:bristol-birds-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Richard Peake
> > > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 11:17 AM
> > > To: bristol-birds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [bristol-birds] Kirtland's Warbler
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To anyone interested:
> > >    I tried to find the Kirtland's Warbler again between 9:30 and
10:30.
> It
> > > did not sing again despite my playing many Kirtland's songs.  I'll try
> > again
> > > tomorrow.
> > > Dick Peake
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