You're making it sound like you can do everything with the web interface. When in reality, you can't. You can't use the web interface to send game invites or start a voice chat session. Sent from my iPad On Mar 9, 2012, at 12:11 PM, "Yohandy" <yohandy85@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > if a sighted person wishes to get greenday dlc, they load up the game, scroll > to greenday artist, and purchase it. all in less than 10 seconds. we need to > figure out where on earth greenday is located, waste times listening to > previews, then buy songs we want. with rock band 3 previews get deleted after > you exit the store now, so it's even more annoying. oh also, you're > forgetting that sighted people also use the web interface. this kid came over > the other day, and he basically asked if I got the xbox for the web > interface. said his sighted friend uses it all the time. I think you're > missing the point. yes we can do many things on ps3, but they are really > inconvenient to perform. if you had to load up a site and click through 10 > links before you could use your screen reader, this doesn't mean you won't be > able to use it, but it will make it a lot more inconvenient to use. by your > logic, we can use any ps3 feature. just learn every single menu and sub menu > option, then when the store updates every week, write down all the new items > in each menu. if you want to send an invite to a friend but you have 100 > people on your friends list, just send an invite to each person individually > until you find the one you're looking for. with street fighter, you mentioned > we could use a keyboard to send invites. but why should we have to? do > sighted people plug in their keyboard to send invites? no. they just click on > their friends name and that's that. plus, mortal kombat you can't type a > person's name, so we wouldn't be able to play that game even with a keyboard > lol. the question we need to ask ourselves is, how far are we willing to go > to have accessibility? there's still the ps4 issue to consider. if ps4 comes > out, and it indeed has touch screen interface like the Vita does currently, > what will you do as a playstation owner? will you attempt to memorize where > every single option is located on the screen? one more thing. you're > forgetting that I own both consoles. if I hated the ps3, I would've sold it > and gotten the xbox. I would've definitely paid less hahaha. But I kept the > console, because there are many things I enjoy about it. at the end of the > day, it all comes down to preference. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clement Chou" <chou.clement@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 11:42 AM > Subject: [brandon's list] Re: PS3 VS Xbox 360: my thoughts. > > >> All fair points. Though I will say that although I do stick to fighting >> games, I don't tend to play solo often. I voice chat all the time, because >> the feature is there and easy to get to... and as for sending and receiving >> messages, like I also said I play with a select group though that group is >> pretty big and we usually keep in contact through other means. >> Now I won't pretend the xbox360 is amazing. I don't presume to understate it >> and if I do I appologize. I just think it's a bit overrated, and some people >> are saying it like it's the be all and end all of gaming for blind people. >> Some people don't care about sending messages and whatnot, they just want to >> pop in a game and enjoy it. Now I won't pretend that if I get an xbox360 I >> wouldn't use it... you bet your ass I would leap on it and have it for when >> I wanted it. But I'm not going to fork out money for it, simply because then >> the issue of games and which console to buy them on becomes an issue. >> All our SF 4 problems needed was an adaptation on our part, namely a usb >> keyboard. The only problems we had were because of the fact that it was >> harder to find friends. Now there, credits to the xbox. However, I'm a firm >> believer in using what you have to your fullest, rather than craving after >> other stuff which in essence you already have. As to the greenday dlc, yes, >> I can do it exactly the same way a sighted person does... they have to load >> the game, click on the store, go to the artists, find greenday and the >> songs. I have to do the exact same there.. lol. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yohandy" <yohandy85@xxxxxxxxx> >> To: <brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 8:35 AM >> Subject: [brandon's list] Re: PS3 VS Xbox 360: my thoughts. >> >> >>> Clement. let's say you want to get some greenday DLC right now on PS3. can >>> you go into the store and purchase that content easily without having to go >>> through a ton of newer DLC to try and find it? you can't. of course you'll >>> find it eventually, but that's not something people want to deal with. I >>> want to use the console like a sighted gamer does. when my cousin comes >>> over and plays modern warfare, it feels like I'm actually interacting more >>> and am more involved with what he's doing. I often comment on things like >>> what map he's playing and such. on ps3 it went like this: what map are you >>> on? what level are you on? etc. you're a person that enjoys playing alone >>> and sticks mostly to fighting games. , or that's what it seems to me. I >>> don't. I like getting involved in my games. I like to voicechat whenever >>> possible, join party, send and receive messages. I like to fully use the >>> capabilities of my console. also I could definitely believe Microsoft's >>> accessible design was done on purpose. Microsoft knows how to design >>> accessible sites, and they've been doing so for years. Do you believe that >>> Apple's implementation of voiceover was also a mistake? I go with what >>> works for me at the time. if apple makes a console with voiceover >>> implementation and an accessible site, I'll most likely buy it. you say >>> you're ok with getting things whenever you can get it. well I'm not. I want >>> things when I want them, not when a sighted person feels like purchasing it >>> for me. I asked someone to get me that Lammer Jammy game a few days ago, >>> and they told me to wait. well guess what? I have no choice but to wait. >>> and I really want to play that game badly. but I need to wait till it is >>> convenient for this person to download the game for me. I could definitely >>> do without such inconveniences, and if this game was available on 360, I >>> would've been had it. look at all the trouble we've had whenever we've >>> tried to play street fighter on ps3? many times we couldn't get it to work. >>> no need to worry about such things on 360. now I'm not trying to change >>> your mind here, if you prefer ps3, that's fine. but don't try and >>> understate the impact the 360 has on blind gamers and simply write it off >>> as not important. because to many blind gamers, it makes all the difference. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clement Chou" <chou.clement@xxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 11:03 AM >>> Subject: [brandon's list] Re: PS3 VS Xbox 360: my thoughts. >>> >>> >>>> You can't honestly expect Sony to listen to an audience who probably makes >>>> up for less than 3% of the market... any big company will not listen to >>>> accessibility requests, we've just been lucky with harmonix and >>>> microsoft... though I'lm willing t bet you they haven't designed all that >>>> specifically with blind people in mind. The future of gaming for blind >>>> people may indeed be with the xbox360 or whatever they have next. But >>>> right now, aside from that web interface, I don't see any other benefits >>>> from switching over. Though of course, it all depends on how much you use >>>> everything on your console... me for example. The most I'll get into doing >>>> that is watching videos, logging in and checking for updates. There isn't >>>> much I like to get on the store, and if there is anything, well, I'll wait >>>> for sighted help when I can get it. I refuse to believe that all blind >>>> people are living in isolation without sighted assistance. Now Yohandy >>>> you could be different, I don't know. Maybe you like to use all the chat >>>> features and the like, whereas I stick to msn, facebook and skype for >>>> chatting when I play. The only regular dlc I get is for rock band and I >>>> can do that on my own with no trouble. When you come down to it, it's all >>>> personal preference... there's no blanket statement as to which is better >>>> and which isn't. It's all dependent on what you like. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yohandy" <yohandy85@xxxxxxxxx> >>>> To: <brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 7:53 AM >>>> Subject: [brandon's list] Re: PS3 VS Xbox 360: my thoughts. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Well thing is, interfaces you can get around. but lack of accessibility >>>>> you can't. what good is a great interface, if you can't access most of >>>>> it? let's say downloading games on the ps3 console is much easier, well >>>>> we need to ask for sighted assistance each time we want to get something, >>>>> so what good is such an interface? as a matter of fact, there isn't much >>>>> we can do on the ps3's interface anyway, so it's essentially useless to >>>>> us regardless of its ease of use to the average gamer. I've been a Sony >>>>> gamer for many years, but I had to open my eyes and look at the bigger >>>>> picture. with the ways things are going these days, with touch interfaces >>>>> and the like, I think the future for the blind gamer will be the 360. >>>>> look at vita. completely touch based interface. next xbox is rumored to >>>>> have a controller with touch features, but the major diference is that >>>>> xbox has kinect, we can use it for navigating around. ps3 doesn't have >>>>> such a device, only the playstation move. and that's of no use to us when >>>>> it comes to navigation. I have a move so I should know lol. also there is >>>>> this: when you go into the avatar editor on the xbox site, there's a >>>>> button that says: Avatar Editor with accessibility. there are also many >>>>> accessibility links throughout the xbox sites. so that should solidify in >>>>> your minds microsoft's stand for gamers with disabilities. sony on the >>>>> other hand, always ignores my accessibility requests. answer me this: >>>>> what good will a great d-pad on the ps4 be, if the entire interface is >>>>> touch based and we can't use it? it's time we all look at the bigger >>>>> picture. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > >