[brandon's list] Re: PS3 VS Xbox 360: my thoughts.

You're making it sound like you can do everything with the web interface. When 
in reality, you can't. You can't use the web interface to send game invites or 
start a voice chat session.

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On Mar 9, 2012, at 12:11 PM, "Yohandy" <yohandy85@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> if a sighted person wishes to get greenday dlc, they load up the game, scroll 
> to greenday artist, and purchase it. all in less than 10 seconds. we need to 
> figure out where on earth greenday is located, waste times listening to 
> previews, then buy songs we want. with rock band 3 previews get deleted after 
> you exit the store now, so it's even more annoying. oh also, you're 
> forgetting that sighted people also use the web interface. this kid came over 
> the other day, and he basically asked if I got the xbox for the web 
> interface. said his sighted friend uses it all the time. I think you're 
> missing the point. yes we can do many things on ps3, but they are really 
> inconvenient to perform. if you had to load up a site and click through 10 
> links before you could use your screen reader, this doesn't mean you won't be 
> able to use it, but it will make it a lot more inconvenient to use. by your 
> logic, we can use any ps3 feature. just learn every single menu and sub menu 
> option, then when the store updates every week, write down all the new items 
> in each menu. if you want to send an invite to a friend but you have 100 
> people on your friends list, just send an invite to each person individually 
> until you find the one you're looking for. with street fighter, you mentioned 
> we could use a keyboard to send invites. but why should we have to? do 
> sighted people plug in their keyboard to send invites? no. they just click on 
> their friends name and that's that. plus, mortal kombat you can't type a 
> person's name, so we wouldn't be able to play that game even with a keyboard 
> lol. the question we need to ask ourselves is, how far are we willing to go 
> to have accessibility? there's still the ps4 issue to consider. if ps4 comes 
> out, and it indeed has touch screen interface like the Vita does currently, 
> what will you do as a playstation owner? will you attempt to memorize where 
> every single option is located on the screen? one more thing. you're 
> forgetting that I own both consoles. if I hated the ps3, I would've sold it 
> and gotten the xbox. I would've definitely paid less hahaha. But I kept the 
> console, because there are many things I enjoy about it. at the end of the 
> day, it all comes down to preference.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clement Chou" <chou.clement@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 11:42 AM
> Subject: [brandon's list] Re: PS3 VS Xbox 360: my thoughts.
> 
> 
>> All fair points. Though I will say that although I do stick to fighting 
>> games, I don't tend to play solo often. I voice chat all the time, because 
>> the feature is there and easy to get to... and as for sending and receiving 
>> messages, like I also said I play with a select group though that group is 
>> pretty big and we usually keep in contact through other means.
>> Now I won't pretend the xbox360 is amazing. I don't presume to understate it 
>> and if I do I appologize. I just think it's a bit overrated, and some people 
>> are saying it like it's the be all and end all of gaming for blind people. 
>> Some people don't care about sending messages and whatnot, they just want to 
>> pop in a game and enjoy it. Now I won't pretend that if I get an xbox360 I 
>> wouldn't use it... you bet your ass I would leap on it and have it for when 
>> I wanted it. But I'm not going to fork out money for it, simply because then 
>> the issue of games and which console to buy them on becomes an issue.
>> All our SF 4 problems needed was an adaptation on our part, namely a usb 
>> keyboard. The only problems we had were because of the fact that it was 
>> harder to find friends. Now there, credits to the xbox. However, I'm a firm 
>> believer in using what you have to your fullest, rather than craving after 
>> other stuff which in essence you already have. As to the greenday dlc, yes, 
>> I can do it exactly the same way a sighted person does... they have to load 
>> the game, click on the store, go to the artists, find greenday and the 
>> songs. I have to do the exact same there.. lol.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yohandy" <yohandy85@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 8:35 AM
>> Subject: [brandon's list] Re: PS3 VS Xbox 360: my thoughts.
>> 
>> 
>>> Clement. let's say you want to get some greenday DLC right now on PS3. can 
>>> you go into the store and purchase that content easily without having to go 
>>> through a ton of newer DLC to try and find it? you can't. of course you'll 
>>> find it eventually, but that's not something people want to deal with. I 
>>> want to use the console like a sighted gamer does. when my cousin comes 
>>> over and plays modern warfare, it feels like I'm actually interacting more 
>>> and am more involved with what he's doing. I often comment on things like 
>>> what map he's playing and such. on ps3 it went like this: what map are you 
>>> on? what level are you on? etc. you're a person that enjoys playing alone 
>>> and sticks mostly to fighting games. , or that's what it seems to me. I 
>>> don't. I like getting involved in my games. I like to voicechat whenever 
>>> possible, join party, send and receive messages. I like to fully use the 
>>> capabilities of my console. also I could definitely believe Microsoft's 
>>> accessible design was done on purpose. Microsoft knows how to design 
>>> accessible sites, and they've been doing so for years. Do you believe that 
>>> Apple's implementation of voiceover was also a mistake? I go with what 
>>> works for me at the time. if apple makes a console with voiceover 
>>> implementation and an accessible site, I'll most likely buy it. you say 
>>> you're ok with getting things whenever you can get it. well I'm not. I want 
>>> things when I want them, not when a sighted person feels like purchasing it 
>>> for me. I asked someone to get me that Lammer Jammy game a few days ago, 
>>> and they told me to wait. well guess what? I have no choice but to wait. 
>>> and I really want to play that game badly. but I need to wait till it is 
>>> convenient for this person to download the game for me. I could definitely 
>>> do without such inconveniences, and if this game was available on 360, I 
>>> would've been had it. look at all the trouble we've had whenever we've 
>>> tried to play street fighter on ps3? many times we couldn't get it to work. 
>>> no need to worry about such things on 360. now I'm not trying to change 
>>> your mind here, if you prefer ps3, that's fine. but don't try and 
>>> understate the impact the 360 has on blind gamers and simply write it off 
>>> as not important. because to many blind gamers, it makes all the difference.
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clement Chou" <chou.clement@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 11:03 AM
>>> Subject: [brandon's list] Re: PS3 VS Xbox 360: my thoughts.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> You can't honestly expect Sony to listen to an audience who probably makes 
>>>> up for less than 3% of the market... any big company will not listen to 
>>>> accessibility requests, we've just been lucky with harmonix and 
>>>> microsoft... though I'lm willing t bet you they haven't designed all that 
>>>> specifically with blind people in mind. The future of gaming for blind 
>>>> people may indeed be with the xbox360 or whatever they have next. But 
>>>> right now, aside from that web interface, I don't see any other benefits 
>>>> from switching over. Though of course, it all depends on how much you use 
>>>> everything on your console... me for example. The most I'll get into doing 
>>>> that is watching videos, logging in and checking for updates. There isn't 
>>>> much I like to get on the store, and if there is anything, well, I'll wait 
>>>> for sighted help when I can get it. I refuse to believe that all blind 
>>>> people are  living in isolation without sighted assistance. Now Yohandy 
>>>> you could be different, I don't know. Maybe you like to use all the chat 
>>>> features and the like, whereas I stick to msn, facebook and skype for 
>>>> chatting when I play. The only regular dlc I get is for rock band and I 
>>>> can do that on my own with no trouble. When you come down to it, it's all 
>>>> personal preference... there's no blanket statement as to which is better 
>>>> and which isn't. It's all dependent on what you like.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yohandy" <yohandy85@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <brandonslist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 7:53 AM
>>>> Subject: [brandon's list] Re: PS3 VS Xbox 360: my thoughts.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Well thing is, interfaces you can get around. but lack of accessibility 
>>>>> you can't. what good is a great interface, if you can't access most of 
>>>>> it? let's say downloading games on the ps3 console is much easier, well 
>>>>> we need to ask for sighted assistance each time we want to get something, 
>>>>> so what good is such an interface? as a matter of fact, there isn't much 
>>>>> we can do on the ps3's interface anyway, so it's essentially useless to 
>>>>> us regardless of its ease of use to the average gamer. I've been a Sony 
>>>>> gamer for many years, but I had to open my eyes and look at the bigger 
>>>>> picture. with the ways things are going these days, with touch interfaces 
>>>>> and the like, I think the future for the blind gamer will be the 360. 
>>>>> look at vita. completely touch based interface. next xbox is rumored to 
>>>>> have a controller with touch features, but the major diference is that 
>>>>> xbox has kinect, we can use it for navigating around. ps3 doesn't have 
>>>>> such a device, only the playstation move. and that's of no use to us when 
>>>>> it comes to navigation. I have a move so I should know lol. also there is 
>>>>> this: when you go into the avatar editor on the xbox site, there's a 
>>>>> button that says: Avatar Editor with accessibility. there are also many 
>>>>> accessibility links throughout the xbox sites. so that should solidify in 
>>>>> your minds microsoft's stand for gamers with disabilities. sony on the 
>>>>> other hand, always ignores my accessibility requests. answer me this: 
>>>>> what good will a great d-pad on the ps4 be, if the entire interface is 
>>>>> touch based and we can't use it? it's time we all look at the bigger 
>>>>> picture.
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