Scott, I completely agree with you, except for one major point: this is the first time Bookshare has put out books that are inaccessible by *Bookshare's own standards.* Engineering is working on it, yes, I truly believe that, but it will take some serious time as you said, so for now, I still question the cart before the horse. I know they have their reasons, it has been explained on both lists, this one and the volunteer lists. Nonetheless, there are a spate of books swelling the number of books in the collection, but which are only accessible by various work-arounds. What about the members, over 6,000 I recall, even before the college and k-12 kids got in, who are not on these lists and not learning the work-arounds? The joy for me of BS is the instant brf downloads. There won't be brf downloads of the PQ books for a long time yet. And now various standard equipment for hearing blind people is requiring more complicated steps too. Suppose a member does not have a scanning a program such as Kurzweil or OpenBook? I'm not only disgruntled that a collection I've contributed to for 6 long years is suddenly publishing books that are not accessible to me, but that all the work-arounds are not being available to Joe Blow member who is just out there, paying an annual renewal fee, and happily reading away. Now there are books sans summaries, sans Bookshare standard access formats, and personally I'm not too amused. I understand I am not entitled to amusement nor have any say in how things progress. But I also don't have blind faith when standards which were quite strict are suddenly tossed out the window and we're told to be patient and have faith. For how long? I've been waiting 6 long years for engineers to fix the header and footer stripper program. That's probably gone back to low priority while publisher quality books picked up the priority. I'm usually very loyal, and will continue to scan and submit books, but that does not mean I need to suspend my critical thinking processes. At the moment, I'm quite cynical about these books and how soon they will be at Bookshare standards. (Or have the standards just changed? Is it anarchy?) And what other projects we've been hearing about are going to low priority in exchange? A complicated (Latin) college text I had requested was denied as the push is now toward K-12. I'm really not sure what to believe any more.... I keep plugging away, scanning and submitting, but this is the first time I can't get brf downloads of books without in-between steps.... I'm obviously frustrated and disappointed. Each summer I send a letter to Jim F. and the current Bookshare leaders reminding them of prior summers' promises of fixing headers and footers and include prior emails about it. Still ain't happening, still having to do the work arounds which don't always work. I'm too afraid these publisher quality book issues will be similar. Ok Rant Mode off. Shaddup Liz, Bookshare will do what they want. And I will remain loyal, but skeptical, until I see the promised changes. Liz in Portland Liz Halperin Portland, OR lizzersagain@xxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: Scott Blanks [mailto:scottsjb@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 11:06 AM To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bookshare-discuss] publisher qualitty books HI folks, I've been watching the discussion of the ups and downs of pq books being introduced into the Bookshare collection. There have been many frustrations voiced about the implementation, and most of them quite valid. However, I'd like to strongly encourage folks have some faith in the Bookshare staff. I've seen a couple messages or more where people are really teeing off on the work being done by Bookshare. These types of changes simply don't happen in the time it takes to scan a novel, or validate a book from step one. We *need* to realize that there are multiple factors involved in rolling out a sea change like what is happening at Benetech/Bookshare. I will gladly go out on a limb and say that Bookshare will resolve most, if not all issues, as soon as they are capable of doing so. And no, I know nothing to support my assertion, but I base my statement on the past six years of Bookshare's exemplary work to make it possible for so many of us to read many thousands of titles. Scott To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank Email to bookshare-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the Subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank Email to bookshare-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the Subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.