[bookshare-discuss] Re: ellipses
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:04:48 -0700 (PDT)
O.K., Guido. I answered Kellie before I read your
post. Sorry, Kellie, the spaces stay. Maybe you and
the other Braille readers can global replace the
elipses with 3 dots unspaced before you read a book
downloaded from the collection.
Cindy
--- Guido Corona <guidoc@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Cindy, we should maintain typographic integrity as
> much as possible. So.
> . . please continue to put spaces between. . .
> ellyptical periods. . . or
> are they ellyptic periods?
>
> G.
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> Cindy
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> Well, when I put in true elipses, I do put the
> spaces
> between the dots, both because this is the way I
> learned to do it in school and because it's the way
> Project Gutenberg says to do it, and I was doing
> work
> for them before I got so involved with bookshare.
> And,
> when the ellipse comes after a period, it would be
> period space dot space dot space dot space.
>
> Peter, Jesse, Gustavo, et al -- does bookshare have
> a
> preference? Or do you blind readers have a
> preference?
> I'm happy to change if that's annoying to braille
> readers or listeners.
>
> Cindy
> --- "Norma A. Boge-Conyers" <naboge@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
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> > I think the ellipses should be considered as a
> mark
> > of punctuation, i.e. it
> > should not be separated from the word preceding
> it.
> > So the correct form,
> > IMHO, would be John... not John ... HTH
> >
> >
> > At 03:24 AM 9/28/2004, you wrote:
> > >Okay, I don't know if they're called elipses or
> > not--elipses may be
> > >referring to journalistic dots to signify words
> > being removed from quoted
> > >text or dialogue. What I'm talking about is in
> > fiction, when there are
> > >dots in the narrative. I ask one of you sighted
> > folk here to help me
> > >settle an issue once and for all that's been
> > bugging me for quite some
> > >time. Here's a fake paragraph illustrating what
> > I'm talking about:
> > >
> > >John walked into the bar ...
> > >
> > >... and found himself staring into the eyes of
> his
> > beloved.
> > >
> > >"John..." she breathed.
> > >
> > >"Susan...?" he responded.
> > >
> > >"... You're ... looking well," she stammered.
> > >
> > >
> > >Anyway, you get the idea. I'm overusing them,
> just
> > to make sure there's
> > >no doubt about what I'm referring to.
> > >
> > >My question is this: I don't know how to fix
> these
> > dots. Many times,
> > >instead of being clumped together there are
> spaces
> > between them. (instead
> > >of "..." you get ". . ."). Sometimes, when
> someone
> > is speaking, there's a
> > >space between the last word of dialogue
> ("John..."
> > instead of "John ..."),
> > >and when the dots occur at the beginning or end
> of
> > a narrative paragraph,
> > >I never know whether to put spaces between the
> last
> > word and the dots or
> > >not, or, as the case may be, the first word of
> the
> > new paragraph and its
> > >dots. OCR isn't consistent as to how to deal
> with
> > this, and I'd just like
> > >to know how to fix them when they're wrongly
> > recognized. Yes, it's petty,
> > >and doesn't interfere with legibility ... but I'm
> a
> > perfectionist in my
> > >own editing, and would like to know this for my
> own
> > writing as well; I may
> > >not be putting spaces where there should be
> spaces
> > and such. What's the
> > >"right" way to use these? How's it done in print
> > books? Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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