Hi Brenda, Thanks for the response. Evan had already set me straight about my perception of how it worked. It still seams that it would be a very useful tool to have. You just can't get the same information from a scanner. Like Melissa,said seeing the drawings from your kids, being able to understand how hand writing looks, different fonts, the applications seam to be endless. It does surprise me that there is nothing like it on the market any more. There is an obvious market for it. I can see how the cost of it is prohibitive. It always amazes me how expensive things are. That is just simple market baring the load. A smaller market has to carry the cost. Shrug. Unfortunately that is how it works. Smile Thank you again for filling me in. I had never heard of one and then with in the last week it popped up all over the place. Shannon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Mueller" <brendin@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:55 PM Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: about the optacan > Shannon, > > No, you're not correct about what happened with the optacon. It didn't translate things to braille. We had to learn and recognize print symbols to use it. It took effort. So those of us who were trained with the optacon actually know the shapes of print letters and such.Here's a funny think thing. One day I was looking for a place to throw my thrash away. I found the garbage can and happened to notice the raised print letters there. I traced my fingers over them and red it. It said "Push." I laughed outloud. You mean that sighties just read and follow the signs? > > Once I was at a convention for NFB when I was a member. For some reason their rooms and other doors hadn't been marked in braille. I was given the assignmet to mark those doors in braille. Well, I read the raised print based on my optacon knowledge > Then I pulled out my dymo tape, slate and stylus and marked those doors in braille with a door number so they could find their rooms. It took me hours, but I got the job done. People just don't know how much work it takes to make a convention work. > > No, I'm not picking on you. > > Braille was important enough to me to do the work. There is still a question. > > When will it ever be possible just to read in braille? > > Did you ever read about the experiences of Louis Braille. > > Maybe I'm wrong about the name, but he invented braille. At that time there were just raised prinnt books. > > Blind people had to just read that and the limitted collection in those raised pringt books. > > He got in a lot of trouble before braille was ever introduced. > > > > Probably the book with that story is only in braille. > > > > Anyway, there is part of the story. Sighties think voice is the end-all answer. I remember a time though when I curled up with my book and just read in bed. If the night house mother came around I hid my volume of braille and closed my eyes against the flashlight. But I looked at that book with my fingers. No voice. > I just read. That world isn't here now. I read in voice at home and accept the scanning mistakes. > > Now here's a question. If kids read those scanning errors in voice how can they learn to spell? > There's one more thing. I keep my pencil handy to write things down, my slate and stylus. I can still write a letter in braille if I want to. A part of being blind is using everything you've learned. That's no joke. > > > > Use all your resources, blind guys. Nothing you've learned will go to waste. > > Evan Reece, are you from WSPC? I am, too, but now a blind linguist working for Defense. > > > > Evan, > Thank you for the answer. That does sound like a really great thing. It is too bad that they don't make it anymore. What did they come up with to take it's place. I would think a toy like that would be in great demand? It sounds kind of like a CCTV only instead of a TV, it has a brail display. Do I have that right? > > Shannon > > Brenda Mueller > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank Email to > bookshare-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the Subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank Email to bookshare-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the Subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.