[bookshare-discuss] Re: Making your pointRE: Re: debbie McComber
- From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 13:34:12 -0700
Hi, Ana, I'm sorry but I don't think I can help you here. I tried reading
something by Grace Livingston Hill and the book was okay, but not enough for
me to think I'd care for her. I can take her or leave her. That being said,
however, I tend to laugh off those books when the prose is purple
(especially in the sex scenes). I tend to like the type of romances when our
hero and heroine come to like and understand each other. I tend to run into
"he meets she, he and she are pretty sure they don't care for each other,
they learn a little more about each other, watching each other's action,
concluding that the other person isn't such an arrogant jerk/strident,
ditsy, (pick unattractive qualities to fill in), as was thought, etc.) I
often read stuff where the formula has our hero and heroine hurt by some
events in their pasts which make them wary, so the main thrust of the book
is how they learn how to trust each other, and finding out they do love each
other. I wouldn't call the romances I read Christian ones, but I think the
authors have a point to make about how we treat each other. I like to see
how the hero and heroine change. I hope someone else who knows about what
you like can give you better advice than I. I also want you to know I have
no intention of twisting your arm about romances. I figure you like what you
like and that's fine. Regards, Kim.
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From: Ana Jacob [mailto:anajacob2@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:16 PM
To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Making your pointRE: Re: debbie McComber
And that is exactly it. If you can too easily predict the next event, it's
not too much of an escape
On a similar but slightly off note, does anyone know of any good Christian
romance writers? As mentioned earlier in this conversation, good Christian
fiction can be hard to find, but if I can find a good Author that would be
great. I love romance, but so much of it is full of more lust and
infatuation than real, genuine love, which, in my opinion, makes for an
exasperating read.
Ana Jacob
Delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart.
Commit your way to the Lord; trust in him and he will do this. Psalm 37:3-5
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From: lana <mailto:lana5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:01 PM
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Making your pointRE: Re: debbie McComber
Again, it's a balancing act. Variety is good, especially in setting, but
there is something to be said for a degree of predictability. We who love
romances, even though we would like there to be a little more plot, want the
reassurance of knowing they are going to end happily. The world is just to
chaotic for our fictional lives to be as well. Surprises, yes, Twists and
turns, yes, but the resolution MUST make me feel good.
Others see things differently. They want something more literary, and
that's fine, but I'm talking about romances, fantasys, and other escape
reading. In other words, I want to escape.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ana Jacob <mailto:anajacob2@xxxxxxxxx>
To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:55 PM
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Making your pointRE: Re: debbie McComber
I could not have said any of that better myself. I'm pretty sure we're on
the same page on all this. I agree with your point about Danielle Steel,
also, honestly, I find her books to be just too predictable, I guess would
be a good word for it. Perhaps I shouldn't comment, since I've only read 3,
maybe 4 of her books, but for the most part they weren't all that different.
The general mood and stile of the stories seem to follow the same pattern.
Perhaps not all her books are like that, but frankly, I'm not a big fan of
that type of romance. I'm not trying to offend anyone who does like her
books. I know she's quite popular, each to his or her own, these are just
my feelings on it. I haven't read Debbie Macomber so can't comment there.
Ana Jacob
Delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart.
Commit your way to the Lord; trust in him and he will do this. Psalm 37:3-5
----- Original Message -----
From: Kim <mailto:kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx> Friedman
To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:19 PM
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Making your pointRE: Re: debbie McComber
Hi, Ana, I personally prefer a good story. Any book you read is going to be
about something depending on the type of book. If I'm reading non-fiction, I
will either be informed, amused, asked to consider an opinion expressed,
especially if one is reading about an issue and the author feels it
necessary to present all sides of a question. If I read fiction, I'm more
interested in the plot and characters. Heavy expository writing in fiction
generally isn't conducive to the story, but if the author can weave just
enough in to leaven the various events, then I don't mind. What I tend to
dislike is if the author hits the reader over the head with statements of
how someone feels that is obvious based on the description of actions,
emotions, etc., in other words, some authors don't know when to stop
spelling things out for the reader (I hate to say it, but I find Danielle
Steel and Debbie Macomber guilty of this.)So if somebody's palms are
sweating and they're doing something like drumming their fingers on the
table or pacing, wouldn't you get the idea the character was agitated? Do
you really need to be told the someone is feeling nervous? If the result of
dialog is to foster resentment between people, you can tell by the angry
conversation and the actions done by the resentful party which tells you
somebody isn't happy. You're a human being and don't need obvious statements
(if you are a space alien, on the other hand, you would need stuff spelled
out). By building on plot and character, creating a mood or atmosphere, plus
the the knowledge of the driving motives, desires, etc. of your characters,
the reader will understand you have a controlling idea or ideas to your
story and they are illustrated through the story. I'd say if you have a
point to make, do it through and within the story. Regards, Kim Friedman.
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From: Ana Jacob [mailto:anajacob2@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:24 AM
To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: debbie McComber
Wow, I completely agree with you. Given the choice between a good book with
a Christian theme, and just a good book, I'll take the Christian one any
day. However, books that are obviously trying hard to prove a point or
teach a lesson, usually take away from the story because it becomes too
unrealistic. That's not to say a book can't have a lesson or underlying
point to it, a good book, in fact, does do that, but if it's too obvious it
becomes too predictable.
sorry for the ramble.
Ana Jacob
Delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart.
Commit your way to the Lord; trust in him and he will do this. Psalm 37:3-5
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From: lana <mailto:lana5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 12:30 PM
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: debbie McComber
I'm going to get into all kinds of trouble for saying this, but probably the
reason Debbie McComber is on for romance, not religion is that her books,
those I've read, focus on relationships and romance, not the salvation of
the main characters. In the Christian Romances I've read, the coming to
Christ is more important than the romance or even the story itself, and I
say this as a Christian. When I read, I want a ripping good story with a
happy ending. A strong religious foundation strengthens the story, but it's
not why I'm reading it.
I recently read Shean on the Silk by ann Perry. It had a lot to say about
religion and one's personal relation with God without making that the bee
all and end all of the story. it made it richer. It made it far better,
but the story could have stood without it.
Now, I'd better duck!
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From: gwen <mailto:gstweedy@xxxxxxx> tweedy
To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 3:24 PM
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: debbie McComber
And I thought so but my husband reminded me that not only do her books say
strong language but some have description of sex,
so guess that is why she's not there.
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From: gwen <mailto:gstweedy@xxxxxxx> tweedy
To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 4:20 PM
Subject: [bookshare-discuss] debbie McComber
I think the reason Debbie McComber is not on the heartsong presents is when
I have looked on some of her talking books, some say "some strong Language"
and she is not really listed as religion and spirituality in all cases.
It is just listed as romance only.
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