[bookshare-discuss] Re: Just Downloaded My First Book for Validation

Yah, I'm responding to my own message.  <smile>  More of an addendum, really.

I understand that we are to reproduce the paper version as closely as possible, 
but where to put information from the dust jacket is somewhat of a judgment 
call, since - if we were to take this reproduction totally literally, for 
hardcovers we would put the information on the front half of the dust jacket 
before the title page, and the information on the back half of the dust jacket 
at the end of the book.  I don't think anyone would agree with that procedure.  
For paperbacks, reproducing the paper version exactly would entail putting the 
information on the dust jacket at the end of the book, since paperbacks 
generally put that stuff on the back of the book.

So recognizing that where to put the information from the dust jacket is at 
least somewhat of a judgment call, and that probably most people would like to 
read that information somewhere close to the beginning of the book, and that 
reproducing the book exactly isn't really sensible in this case, it seems most 
reasonable to put it after the title page and after the copyright information - 
assuming it is after the title page - or wherever it is, but probably before 
the information on the dust jacket.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Evan Reese 
  To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 7:05 PM
  Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Just Downloaded My First Book for Validation


  I understand that, which is why I moved it.  It was not after the title page, 
but after the information on the dust jacket; so I would think that my moving 
the copyright information actually gives the more accurate reproduction of the 
original book, since it is now after the title page.

  Information from the dust jacket is never positioned after the title page.  
And while I do not have the copy that was submitted, I do have a paperback 
version, and I know that in the submitted book the information after the title 
and author is information from the dust jacket, which is not what's on the page 
after the title page.  Even if - almost certainly - that book is laid out 
differently, the information from the dust jacket would not follow the title 
page.

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Jake Brownell 
    To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 6:47 PM
    Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Just Downloaded My First Book for 
Validation


    Hi Evan,
        Don't forget that our job is to reproduce the books in a manner as they 
were intended in print. So you shouldn't be moving the copyright information 
because that would be changing the format. Generally copyright information is 
on the page following the main title page, but it has been known to be located 
in different places.

    HTH,
    Jake
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Evan Reese 
      To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 8:15 PM
      Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Just Downloaded My First Book for 
Validation


      Actually, it may not be as bad as I had at first thought.  There are 
quite a lot of errors in the preliminaries, but after the book actually starts, 
things seem to improve.

      Also, I was wrong about the copyright information not being present.  He 
put it after the dust jacket material and I skipped past it on my first 
lookover.  I expected it to be right after the title and author - where NLS 
puts it and where I put it when I scan stuff.  It just seems more logical to 
put it there, so I have moved the copyright notice up to the top just after the 
title and author.  I think this is a good practice for people in general so the 
validator doesn't have to go looking for it.

      I also should have cut him a little more slack, as there is a 
geneological chart at the beginning of the book with lines going hither and yon 
from ancestors to descendants.  No scanner could be expected to get that 
straight, and some of the print is also quite small.  My perfectionism may have 
to just take a vacation because I don't think I can sort this out either.  I 
may have to just leave it as it is, regretably.

      I do have a couple of questions, but I'm going to submit them over at the 
other list.  Still, I don't think a rescan will be needed after all.

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Jill O'Connell 
        To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:02 PM
        Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Just Downloaded My First Book for 
Validation


        Don't be intimidated; we all had to start somewhere and you can always 
ask questions. If you agree early on that the quality is only fair, you will 
probably be better off rescanning; that has usually been my experience. If this 
is the case, you might consider rejecting the book and letting Bookshare know 
that you are rescanning; that way you will get the extra submission credit that 
you deserve. Jill
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Evan Reese 
          To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
          Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:04 AM
          Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Just Downloaded My First Book for 
Validation


          I just downloaded my first book for validation.  It's _In The Ruins_ 
by Kate Elliott, Crown of Stars Volume 6.  It was submitted on November 17, so 
it's been up there for a while.  The submitter put it in the Fair category, and 
by the looks of things, that's about right.  I've noticed quite a few errors 
just in the first few pages.  Also, the copyright information was not provided, 
so I put that in.

          I'm picking up a paper copy this afternoon from a local bookstore.  
If it had been categorized as excellent, I might not have bothered, but I might 
have gotten one anyway - preferably from my local library - but they didn't 
have one.  I would prefer to have a paper copy in case there's a scanning error 
that I can't figure out.  I have an Optacon, so I at least don't have to ask 
someone sighted what's on the page if I run into trouble.  I've been wanting to 
read this book since it came out last August, though, so I'm going to read 
right through it.

          However, if the errors are too many and too egregious, I just may 
scan the whole thing in again.  It might come out better - my OpenBook does a 
pretty good job, especially with hardcovers and trade paperbacks.  It might be 
more effective timewise than trying to puzzle out garbled text.  Hopefully that 
won't be necessary.

          I'm a little nervous, this being my first book and all.  I hope I do 
things correctly.

          By the way, is there a keyboard shortcut for the Copyright symbol?  I 
just used alt-169 at the beginning of the book where it's supposed to be, but I 
was wondering if there is a keyboard combination for that?  Just curious.

          I also subscribed to the volunteer discussion list.  I was a little 
intimidated at first by the 50 messages per day figure cited on the website, 
but I figure that it may not be as bad as all that; it isn't as though I have 
to read all of them.


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