Yes, the digital book program in no way is meant to supplant web Braille. I have heard that their download site will contain web Braille books and the new digital audio books. "-----Original Message----- "From: bookport-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx "[mailto:bookport-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dan Keys "Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 8:17 PM "To: bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx "Subject: [bookport] Re: NLS Beta Program " "Hi, "So does anyone know if after the new Digital Talking Books are "available, will Web Braille still have brf files available for "download? " "On Nov 6, 2006, at 5:10 PM, Michael Bowman-Jones wrote: " "> Greetings Don, Walt and List. "> "> I also send along my thanks to Pamela for her forthrightness in "> handling the "E-storm" on this issue. I have to admit, "though, that I "> am very torn in that I just bought my BP (a couple of months "> ago) and now wonder if I should have waited for the new one. (Oh "> well, that's always a problem with things technological because they "> are always changing.) Since one reason for getting the BP "was my hope "> of NLS compatibility so the BP would be my backup unit to their "> player, it appears I should have done more research and waited. Be "> that as it may, I still really enjoy this unit and will "consider it a "> complement to the NLS unit since I won't be able "> (probably) to use it as an NLS-unit backup, as was my intent. "> "> Michael "> "> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Barrett" <donter@xxxxxxxxxxx> "> To: <bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> "> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:45 PM "> Subject: [bookport] Re: NLS Beta Program "> "> ">> Pam, Thanks for the candid and forthright note. I think we all ">> fully ">> appreciate that the current model has reached its zenith in "terms of ">> the formats it can handle, and I for one, wouldn't expect it to ">> handle newer formats, such as the one NLS is working on. When I ">> spoke of being curious about hardware redesign, I was referring to ">> finding out about efforts to redesign the new unit, which, as you ">> have stated, is being done as we speak. ">> Knowing that a new unit is in the works for release some "time in 2007 ">> certainly puts my mind at rest about the subject. ">> ">> The nice thing about having the downloadable books from NLS is that ">> the BookPort won't have to worry about using any "specialized type of ">> card. If, as you all intimate, the new unit will support "the new NLS ">> format, then books can simply be transferred to whatever "card the new ">> unit will take, and reading will be a breeze. ">> ">> Since I was the one who created such a flurry about this "topic on the ">> list, I am now happy, given Larry and Pam's responses, to "wait to see ">> what the coming year will bring. ">> Believe it or not, even I can be patient and quiet for a while, and ">> besides, Walt, the list Sergeant at Arms, won't let me get "away with ">> being too pushy. ">> ">> Don ">> ">> ">> ">> ">> ">> ">> "-----Original Message----- ">> "From: bookport-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ">> "[mailto:bookport-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of PAMELA RADER ">> "Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:14 AM ">> "To: bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ">> "Subject: [bookport] Re: NLS Beta Program " ">> "Hello Don and Others: ">> " ">> "First of all, since the NLS digital structure is still under ">> "development, it is too soon to know exactly what we are "and "aren't ">> going to do. However, given what we know thus far, I "can tell you ">> what I've been told so far. Because the new NLS "format will use ">> something other than a Compact Flash Card like "the one the "Book Port ">> uses, it is very doubtful that the "current Book Port will "be able to ">> play the new books. ">> "Also, you are talking about making changes to the current ""hardware, ">> which I seriously doubt we will be doing, since we "are already in ">> the midst of designing a new unit, which will "be a whole "new design, ">> we won't be making any changes in the "current unit and its "design. ">> It'd be very difficult to keep "two designs going and 2 units, ">> especially if you are a "nonproffit company. You have to "do what is ">> best for the whole "picture. That's not to say that we won't ">> continue to support "the current Book Port, because we "will. We will ">> and are "currently fixing any problems that come up with respect to ">> "it's current functionality. ">> "One of the reasons for this new design is because of the ""changes in ">> technology and the changes at NLS. As you know, "technology is ">> always changing and you have to change with it. ">> "However, there's only so much you can cram into one box, "thus, "when ">> the box gets overcrowded or can't expand any further, due "to ">> hardware limitations or whatever, then you have to make a ""new box. ">> This question has come up many times before and our "programming ">> staff has assured us that we are staying in touch "with the NLS ">> program, after all, we do a lot of work for them "and it "would stand ">> to reason that we are looking into it. ">> "It's not like it's going to sneak up on us one day. We get "many ">> phone calls on this particular issue, as you might expect ""( in fact, ">> I got one on Friday from the originator of this "message). "I realize ">> it's a hot topic and one that we are all "anxious about. ">> Unfortunately, we are all going to have to be "patient, "while all of ">> this is worked out. There could be some "technical things that I'm ">> not aware of, but I feel quite "certain that if it were at all ">> possible to make the current "machine play NLS books, we "would do it, ">> because it would be in "our best interest to do so. If it can't, ">> then you do "something else. As you all know, any time you are in ">> the "middle of developing something, situations come up that can ">> "sometimes push things back. At first, we were told that the "new ">> Book Port would be ready by the first of the year. Now, it ""has been ">> moved back to late Spring or early Summer. That's "the "best answer I ">> can give you at this point. I'm sure if "Larry has "something else to ">> add, he'll do so, when he has time "(in between developing and ">> working with the new unit and all "of the other things we're coming ">> out with in the coming year). ">> " I realize that some of you will be upset with this message, ">> "because you want the current unit to support the new NLS "format. ">> As I've said before, technology is an everchanging "facet. "There are ">> many people who've purchased Braille 'N "Speaks just this year and ">> when the next note taker or PDA "comes out, they'll have the same ">> questions and issues and be "upset because they have to decide ">> whether or not to continue "using what they have or move onto ">> something else. Eventually, "as with the Braille 'N Speak and the ">> current Book Port, parts "become hard to get or dry up and you have ">> to move on and do "something else. The cassette will be a thing of ">> the past. As "difficult as it may be to believe, we still "sell a lot ">> of "cassette machines. Eventually, those people are going to be ">> "left out in the cold. I feel for those people who won't "be "able to ">> move forward into the next thing. Fortunately, NLS "will provide ">> something we can play our books on, I just hope "it's "something that ">> will be easy for them to use as well. ">> "Anyway, that's a whole other soapbox for another time. The "point ">> is--we are doing what we can and we will have to stay "tuned. This ">> is just my take on the issue, for what it's "worth. Since I'm just ">> the Technical Support Specialist, this "and 80 cents might "get you a ">> cup of coffee or a pack of "Rollaides. Anyway, we do hear you loud ">> and clear and are "taking your wishes seriously. ">> " ">> " ">> " ">> " ">> "Pamela Rader, TECHNICAL SUPPORT ">> "American Printing House For The Blind ">> "1839 Frankfort Ave. ">> "Louisville, KY 40206 ">> " ">> "PHONE: 1-800-223-1839, Ext. 307 ">> " ">> " ">> ">>> donter@xxxxxxxxxxx 11/03/06 08:08PM >>> "I've been off of the ">> list for a bit so if this has already "been covered, someone please ">> straighten me out, but if not, it "really is time for it to be ">> addressed directly by APH. ">> " ">> "As you know, the NLS beta program testing the facility to ""download ">> and read digital books is proceeding quite well. I "am "told that the ">> site may be available to all NLS patrons "sometime around "the middle ">> of 2007. Since the handling of "these materials by the "BookPort will ">> require hardware, "firmware, and software changes, it would "seem that ">> time is of "the essence if the Bookport is to undergo a redesign, ">> pass all "of the rigorous beta and other testing, and make a smooth ">> "transition to allowing its owners to read NLS-produced ""materials in ">> digital form when the site becomes available. ">> "Can you all shed any light on this? I can just imagine that "when ">> the NLS site goes live, any device that is not ready to "deal with ">> those materials will suffer much negative press to "say nothing of ">> decreased sales and popularity. Since the "BookPort is "probably the ">> coolest device invented since the "electric coffee-maker, I would ">> hate to see it undergo such a "bumpy transition. NLS "implementation ">> time just is not that "far off, and I believe APH has a ">> responsibility to its "customers to make a public commitment to ">> support this reading "system for the blind which will be free and ">> available to all "non-print reading citizens. As I say, I may have ">> missed this "discussion, so if this has already happened, I will ">> gladly "back off, and wait for it all to play out. ">> " ">> "On the other hand, APH has been alluding to a new unit for ">> "literally years, and given the true closeness of the NLS ">> "implementation date (perhaps half a year or there abouts "to if "all ">> goes well), we really need the real deal and soon. Please "what is ">> going on. ">> " ">> "Don Barrett ">> " ">> " ">> " ">> " ">> ">> ">> ">> __________ NOD32 1.1786 (20061002) Information __________ ">> ">> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. ">> http://www.eset.com ">> "> "> " "