Well, JAWS was good and thoroughly hung. I picked my way in with narrator and had to insert-Winkey-F4 to pull jaws off the board. Rebooting now. I'll try it one more time to see if the reboot straightened anything out on the helper script. From: blindtunesbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:blindtunesbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Spiry Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 11:05 AM To: blindtunesbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [blindtunesbeta] Re: helper scripts could use a bit of guidance Good morning John. I've got it onboard and gave it a go. I started with the invalid track option. The choice list came up fine and I clicked the remove all invalid track option. At that point Jaws went silent and I cannot tell if things are processing or if it simply hung. The system is still running as music is playing and my time notices are still speaking (separate program). It is possible that the removal process is just going slow and JAWS is hanging up while its happening, I have a pretty large collection, like over 15K songs. I'm going to just let it go for a while and see if it comes back. If indeed this is just a slow process, it would be useful to have some kind of caution spoken at the option selection point, like "this could take time depending on the size of your library, JAWS may stop speaking during that process" or something similar. I'm workin on a different machine now so I'll just wait a while and let you know if things straighten up. At this point its been about 10 minutes.. From: blindtunesbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:blindtunesbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:33 PM To: blindtunesbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [blindtunesbeta] Re: helper scripts could use a bit of guidance Hey Bill, I got that fixed for you. The option is now integrated for all the invalid track stuff. You have the option to fix it, skip it, delete it, or delete all from that current position. However there isn't a simple way to skip to the next item while you are in the track list. It can be done, but it just seems like another shortcut that would be something stupid to remember. John From: blindtunesbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:blindtunesbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Spiry Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 2:50 PM To: blindtunesbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [blindtunesbeta] Re: helper scripts could use a bit of guidance Suggestion on the invalid items, you might add a dialog that comes up with a couple of choices, like "delete all invalid items" (integrating the delete all dead items into the single script) or "go to next invalid item" which would take you to the next item down the list to manually deal with as you like. Then you could eliminate the second helper script in the main menu of options and just "one shop" for dealing with invalid items. for From: blindtunesbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:blindtunesbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Martyn Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 2:28 PM To: blindtunesbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [blindtunesbeta] Re: helper scripts could use a bit of guidance Thanks for the report. It seems that someone else is having trouble with the super playlist feature. I don't understand why it is hanging on this one area, but I will find out. The find invalid tracks just takes you to the first one and then stops to let you decide. That's as far as that script goes, but I suppose I could make it do something else as well. The delete dead tracks means you are just deleting those with invalid locations instead of revealing them to you. The add artist, album or genre to a playlist needs you to be on a single track in the music library and that's how you add those. I have a bad bug messing with me in the super playlist creator and I have narrowed it down. I'll be able to fix that hopefully today. I'll see why it could be locking up in this while loop. Well, it is two wil loops inside a while loop. In any event, I'll try to improve some things for more details. John From: blindtunesbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:blindtunesbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Spiry Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:49 AM To: blindtunesbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [blindtunesbeta] helper scripts could use a bit of guidance Good Morning John. This new helper script feature is darned cool. I'm feeling a bit under educated though on what precisely the options do and what I'll need to do (if anything) to complete a particular helper script process. It would be useful to have a description of what each script does and what to expect when it is activated. For example: Find invalid locations: it appears to scan the open music list and take me to the first invalid location it finds. Not sure if it is doing anything more? At that point I can delete or check the location to correct it as usual. Is this intended to do something like list the invalid locations or take steps to fix? If not, it would be helpful if there was a quick way, like a key combo, to jump from invalid location to invalid location from a list the script pulls up. Anyway, would be helpful to at least understand a bit more of what the script does. Remove dead tracks: I assume this is simply collecting and deleting "dead" tracks. Not clear on what dead tracks are however, does this include all invalid locations, duplicates, etc.? again, would be useful to have a bit more info on what the helper script does. Also, if this isn't addressing duplicate tracks, does something in the helpers give the option of pulling up a list of all the duplicate tracks? That would be an extremely helpful feature. Find unchecked items: not entirely sure what this script does? When activated in my main library of music it took me down to a song and gave me an option to "skip", not sure what I was to skip or what the check or uncheck status meant in this context. When I tried it again a while later the script simply hung up iTunes and I had to shut JAWS down and restart it and I had to force iTunes to close and restart. Definitely could use some further info. Create super playlist: I then gave this a try. I got the option for simple or other playlist type, selected simple, created a name for the list and hit enter. I think it may have asked me to wait but then JAWS went dead. I waited for perhaps 10 minutes and then forced JAWS to close using insert-WinKey-F4 (had no voice at that point) and restarted JAWS. iTunes seemed to be locked up as well so I forced it closed and restarted. It simply was not clear what I needed to do to use the super playlist feature. Do I need to select items for the playlist before I activate the super playlist or is the script supposed to take me into a selection process after I created the playlist name. just no way to tell with the info available. BTW, after restarting jaws and iTunes, the new playlist had been created and was empty. More info? I haven't yet tried the other helper scripts for artist, genre, album, or the script for podcasts. If I'm missing something important here I'd sure appreciate some additional guidance. It'd be helpful to have more explanation in the help documentation as well. In any event, your work on this is brilliant! Keep it up. Folks like you set the bar for moving accessibility into the mainstream. Thanks. Bill Spiry J.D. 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