[bct] Re: more thoughts on hearing

  • From: "J Garcia" <j.garcia235@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:32:36 -0800

Your definition of object perception is not complete and sounds inaccurate.
That is, its your an interpretation and not necessarily most scholar's
definition. Object perception is still a notion debated such as the debate
of what intelligence is. Most think they know what intelligence is but with
more and more information they will find they are tearing apart their
argument without realizing it. Every school of psychology will probably
define object perception differently. For those who care, object perception
is, in some circles, observing an object/stimulus and trying to determine
what it is. it is not just a visual phenomenon; this also includes light,
odors, sensations, and tastes. For example, you can look at a globe shaped
object and never really know that its a baseball, basketball, golf ball, or
globe of the earth--by the way, the planet earth is actually more pumpkin
shaped than perfectly round. Most people will look at a football and know
exactly what the object is. On the other hand, for those in the UK a
football elicits a very different mental picture than a football here in the
US, which supports object perception's argument of problems with defining

Sighted people use many different features to try to process a percept. They
tilt their heads, squint, look at the shape, they compare it to its
surroundings, as well as processing color, and they compare the object to
information stored in memory. They finally conclude, round, rubbery,
malleable, string, its a balloon? This is very simplistic but I think I'm
conveying the idea.

Regarding blind people's imaginary super senses and object perception, this
does not exist whatsoever. blind people more than likely use a similar
manner of perceiving auditory stimuli as those using sight. That is, we
compare the sound to what we already know, this elicits memories and we
formulate a mental picture or generate a representation of the object--we
know what it is. Like I've stated in a previous message, blind people are
more consciously and subconsciously listening for more auditory information
to create perception of the audio stimulus. We don't possess any magical
mystical powers that make us see things we can't possibly see, things we
can't possibly hear, or contact the dead. We're just like all other normal
human beings with a great deal of exercise in, disassembling, reassembling,
and finally, recognizing an auditory stimulus. I realize believing in
ghosts, guardian angels, oras, past life regressions, and being Napoleon in
another life are more fun, but they dont exist and only serve to retard our
human psychological and social evolution.

Hope I'm not stepping on anyone's toes, just trying to prevent supernatural
explanations of what has already been semi if not completely explained

J Garcia
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Maria L" <raynbo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 2:59 PM
Subject: [bct] Re: more thoughts on hearing

> I feel a bit odd telling people that blind people don't have super senses,
> like the common stereotype says, and then turn around and have to try to
> explain object perception.
> For those of you who might not have heard of object perception, the best
> I can explain is that some people can hear shadows of objects and people
> around them in varying degrees of acuteness. I guess that's the word.
> never heard sighted people talk about this experience, although I'm sure
> some people must have it and just attribute it to danger or something.
> it's very hard to explainand in explaining it I feel like I'm
> everything I just finished saying about super senses. lol
> I've heard of some blind people not having this and am kind of curious if
> minority do have it or if the minority don't have it and what could cause
> it. I've tried to do research on it but haven't found a lot except really
> technical reports by audiologists that I don't understand.
> Just my thoughts.
> Maria L
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Neal Ewers" <neal.ewers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:48
> Subject: [bct] Re: more thoughts on hearing
> >I have often wondered about how much or little people think before they
> > ask certain questions.  Not long ago, I got it again.  "What can you
> > hear that I don't hear?"  A bit too much scotch perhaps.  How do I
> > really know what someone else is hearing.  However, there is a research
> > project at the University of Wisconsin that looks at a person's very
> > sophisticated hearing tests and then tries to replicate what they might
> > hear in a given situation.  So, you can actually put on headphones and
> > hear what someone else might hear in a given situation.  It's
> > fascinating.  I often have to stop and realize how lucky I have been to
> > be able to work at Trace and consult with other researchers here.  There
> > is a lot to learn out there.
> >
> > Neal
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: blindcooltech-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:blindcooltech-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of M. Dimitt
> > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:42 AM
> > To: blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bct] Re: more thoughts on hearing
> >
> >
> > Pam:
> > I really liked that observation you said, that for each of us due to our
> >
> > lack of vision and hearing, we will perceive things differently. We're
> > not
> > all cut out of the same cloth so to speak. when sighted people ask what
> > it's
> > like to be blind, you can give them a generic response, but for each of
> > us,
> > it's a little bit different.
> > Jamie D.
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Pam Quinn" <quinn.family@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 7:52 AM
> > Subject: [bct] more thoughts on hearing
> >
> >
> > Talking about this, individual realities for each of us depending on the
> > normalcy of our hearing and vision and what not, brings a few more
> > things to mind. I'm sure we've all been questioned by sighted people,
> > and have been asked such things as, "Aren't you afraid of the dark?"
> > When I had an attack of severe hearing loss once and was terrified
> > beyond anything I've ever experienced, I thought about that and
> > realized, "My God! For us as blind people, the lights are always on."
> > Only when hearing is gone are we plunged into true darkness, and that is
> > a scary thing.
> >
> > I also wanted to mention that I am constantly in awe of these stereo
> > podcasts, and am so thankful that whatever happens down the road for me,
> > I've had the opportunity to enjoy them. I just can't get over the wonder
> > of the feeling of actually being right there when listening with
> > headphones especially. I think these stereo digital recordings are to a
> > blind person what high definition TV is to a sighted person. Somebody
> > told me that on high definition TV, you can actually see each blade of
> > grass and such. That's the type of high definition picture I get in my
> > mind when listening to these awesome podcasts. So thanks again to
> > everyone who is a part of the wonder that is blindcooltech.
> >
> > Pam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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