Good point, But as I've said before, win key d and win key m both take you to the desktop and one says folder listview, and the other says listview. hmmm. Darren Duff Assistive Technology Instructor Blind & Low Vision Services of North Georgia 3830 South Cobb Drive, Suite 125, Smyrna, GA 30080 Phone 770-432-7280 800-726-7406 Fax: 770-432-5457 dduff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Visit our Web site at http://www.BLVSgeorgia.org -----Original Message----- From: blindcooltech-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:blindcooltech-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Gilland Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:40 AM To: blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bct] Re: help with jfw and windows.. It's a window class issue. there is a difference in a folder view list view, and a list view. A list view is nothing more than items virtically on the screen where as a folder view list view, is a list view where the items can be arranged either virtically or horizontal/virtically. In other words your desktop would be a folder view list view as you can get items both going virtically or horizontally, or even both. Chris.