[bct] Re: Uncaring Website owners

  • From: "Rick Harmon" <rickharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 22:34:26 -0500

Hi Chris,

Thats exactly what I and 3 others did.  The  owner told one of us that it 
was our problem and not his.

Rick


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Skarstad" <toonhead5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:48 PM
Subject: [bct] Re: Uncaring Website owners


hi folks

I think some of you are missing a major point here.
Firstly, a lot of site owners are not necessarily uncaring, they just
have absolutely no idea that blind people have trouble accessing
their sites.  It's so easy to say well, I can't access the site, so
the webmaster doesn't give a sh**.  Now, if you go to the website
owner, explain your situation and give him alternatives to how he can
fix the site so that it works better with a screenreader, and they
still don't bother to make those modifications, then yes, I would say
that that person really doesn't care, and is probably not worth your
time to begin with.  There are plenty of other sites out there, so
try to find another one that gives you what you want and works the
best for you. It's easy to tell a webmaster that his site isn't
accessible, but a lot of them simply do not know.






At 07:29 PM 3/2/2006, you wrote:
>Hi Rick,
>
>He would gain a small number of customers by making the change, but
>these would probably be much more loyal customers than the average
>sighted person, who can obtain their services from anyone.  In
>addition, if he made the positive changes, well, it would just
>represent good public relations for his company.
>
>
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>----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Harmon" <rickharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 6:15 PM
>Subject: [bct] Re: Uncaring Website owners
>
>
>>Hi maria,
>>
>>Its sad but true, a lot of sites just could care less if we can access 
>>them
>>or not.  As far as the game site goes, nothing will happen unless the 
>>owner
>>sees he can make a profit from it.
>>
>>Rick
>>
>>
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>>
>>Contact Information:
>>
>>Skype ID: rharmon928
>>
>>
>>"The chief handicap of the blind is not blindness, but the attitude of
>>seeing people towards them."
>>- Helen Keller, 1925
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria L" <raynbo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 7:04 PM
>>Subject: [bct] Re: Uncaring Website owners
>>
>>
>>This happened to me on one of those sites where you can get discounted
>>airfares.  I wish I remembered the name of the site.
>>Unfortunately, I think these places won't change unless they lose a
>>considerable amount of business to consumers with disabilities who can't
>>access their sites.  I keep trying in hopes that one Web master or another
>>will care enough to change, but that's just how it feels to me.
>>I'm curious to see what happens with this site. We really need more game
>>choices.
>>Maria L.
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Harmon" 
>><rickharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 14:36
>>Subject: [bct] Uncaring Website owners
>>
>>
>>Hi everyone,
>>
>>I am not sure where to start with this, so I will just tell you my story.
>>
>>There is a game site on the internet called Its Your Turn.
>>
>>www.itsyourturn.com
>>
>>Well, I have been playing games there since late 1998 when I still had my
>>sight.  Its your turn is a board game site with chess, checkers, Othello,
>>connect 4, battle ship, backgammon, stratego and other variations on 
>>popular
>>board games.
>>
>>My problem with the site is that the game board graphics have no text tags
>>on them except the chess boards.  I went back to the site after getting
>>JAWS.  At first I learned to figure out the boards by the graphics file
>>names only and was able to make good guesses playing a game.
>>
>>I found 3 other blind people there playing as well as myself.  We all 
>>asked
>>the owner Mr. Patrick Chu if they would consider putting Alt Text tags on
>>the graphics on the game boards on a game by game basis.  They wrote back 
>>to
>>me and told me that it sounded like a good idea and that they would look
>>into it.  Yes I know its the standard answer we commonly get.
>>
>>Ok fast forward to today.  The game site announced the other day that they
>>were testing a beta site out with all the games re written with .NET
>>programming to make them much faster.
>>
>>www.beta.itsyourturn.com
>>  Ok I went to the site and was hoping that since the games were all re
>>written from scratch that they would have put the Alt Text on the graphics
>>then.  First game I check is still not accessible.
>>
>>I wrote the web support people back and asked why the games were still not
>>accessible.  They basically told me it wasn't a priority and if I was 
>>upset
>>about it they would give me a refund of my membership.
>>
>>They told me as well that were looking at assistive technologies, so I 
>>asked
>>them which ones since Alt Text is the most fundamental and easiest 
>>assistive
>>technology there is.
>>
>>Needless to say they will no longer respond to me there.  I realize that 
>>the
>>owner is under no obligation at all to make his web site accessible.  But
>>you would think it would be good PR to be able to say to the disabled, 
>>"come
>>play here, we are accessible for you."  I sure think it would be a good 
>>move
>>on their parts.
>>
>>If anyone here is interested, its a good game site and one of the few 
>>online
>>that are even close to playable for the blind.
>>
>>Can anyone here think of any ways to encourage Mr. Chu to help us out?
>>
>>If anyone here starts playing games there and you can play for free.
>>memberships just let you have unlimited moves per day and more games at a
>>time.  Please contact them and tell them you want equal access to the 
>>games
>>as the non disabled players have.  The more of us that ask then maybe Mr.
>>Chu will decide that it would be good for his wallet as well to help us 
>>out
>>and maybe have even more paying members.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Rick
>>
>>
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>>Contact Information:
>>
>>Skype ID: rharmon928
>>
>>
>>"The chief handicap of the blind is not blindness, but the attitude of
>>seeing people towards them."
>>- Helen Keller, 1925
>>
>>
>>
>>
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