[bct] Portable media expo

  • From: Stephen Guerra <sguerra@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:21:05 -0500

Kai, did you go to this expo this past weekend


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[mailto:blindcooltech-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kai
Sent: November 15, 2005 2:00 PM
To: blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bct] Re: Microphones for podcasts

Greetings Jamie.

The DSP-500 from Plantronics,
http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/cat640035/cat143
0032/prod440044
Looks really good to me. It's 90 bucks, which is slightly expensive in my
opinion.

For a slightly cheaper alternative from the same company, try the Audio100,
http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/cat640035/cat143
0032/prod29860004
I've used Plantronics before, and their noise canceling microphones, to my
ear, have faired pretty well. It's a lot better than my current headset
which doesn't have any cancellation algorithms, forcing me to apply some
pretty drastic filters on my audio in the post-production stage.

Kai

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[mailto:blindcooltech-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamie Pauls
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 7:01 AM
To: blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bct] Re: Microphones for podcasts


If you listen to my DS-2 review, you will hear the hum that plagues me using
the free mic that came with an old computer. I recorded in Studio Recorder
and normalized with Sound Forge. I think that may have been a bad decision.
I used to own a $16 headset mic from Wal-Mart that cut down on the hum some.
What would be a good, low-budget mic that could move me into some quieter
recordings. I am plugging directly into the mic jack of my computer, not
using a mixer. Thanks for all recommendations. BTW, I am needing this
exclusively for speech. 

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[mailto:blindcooltech-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:21 PM
To: blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bct] Re: Microphones for podcasts

Hello Bill, you said, "I don't mean to but in where I haven't been asked."
Well, consider yourself asked.  After all, we're all friends here.

My answer to you is that you use whatever mike or mikes you are happy with.
There are at least two things to consider.

1.  The sound quality of a mike is a very personal thing, just like the
sound of speakers.  No two people may like the same speakers or mikes, but
they are both right because what they want them for is for themselves and
they are the only judge.  So if you have a noisy mike whose sound you really
like, you will find some situations to make it work.

2.  How much noise they are willing to tolerate is also important.
Again, that is a personal thing and a budget consideration also.  The more
noise you add to the signal, the less you will hear the inherent noise of
the mike.  So, if you speak really loudly and are very close to the mike,
you can get by with a rather noisy mike.  If you speak very softly as some
of the narrators I record and if they are not right up on the mike, the
signal relative to the noise of the mike will be much lower and the mike
noise will be more audible.  Close miking a guitar would perhaps allow you
to use a more noisy mike because again you are probably quite close to the
sound source.  In any case, it's simply how much noise you want to hear.
I
happen to prefer as quiet a mike as I can get.  That is, however, only one
person's opinion and nothing anyone else has to strive for.  Just consider
me a bit whacky when it comes to recording.  OK, just how whacky am I.
I
have mikes that sell for well over $3000, but these are used to record
professional CDs for symphony orchestras, choirs, and chamber groups in very
very quiet halls.  Now, you know just how whacky I am.  So, feel free to
take what I say with a grain of salt.

Neal



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[mailto:blindcooltech-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Belew
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 6:43 PM
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Subject: [bct] Re: Microphones for podcasts


Hi Neal and Dan,

I don't mean to but in where I haven't been asked, but it seems to me that
you're both talking overkill for what is essentially voice quality recording
situations.  Do you really think that someone needs to spend $400 or $800 to
get decent high quality voice recordings?  I've got two Sony condenser mics
that I've seen credited as being used extensively in recording studios for
acoustic guitar and they cost $120 a piece.  I also have a single-point
stereo mic that cost $85 that is a little noisy, but more than adequate for
very good voice recording.  I bought both the lapel and binaural mics from
Sound Professionals for $69 for each pair and they make very quiet clear
recordings.  

Bill Belew




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[mailto:blindcooltech-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 2:33 PM
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Subject: [bct] Re: Microphones for podcasts


Dan, comments in your message below marked with ***



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[mailto:blindcooltech-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Scarlet Wombat
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 3:50 PM
To: blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bct] Microphones for podcasts


Thanks Neal, that was informative.  I heard a very nice sounding Heil pr

40, but the s/n ratio is only 55 db, insufficient.  I know one can get away
with a minimal setup for podcasting, but I am working to make a living from
being a financial planner and I want my casts to be of as fine a quality as
I can produce without going to a studio.  The sd 722 may be overkill, but
there does not seem to be much inbetween the Iriver kind of device and the
722.

*** You're right about there not being much that is good in between.  Of
course, this will change, but if the new recorders are anything like the
Microtrack and all it's problems, well, we don't need to go there.

As for microphones, I like the idea of the figure eight, though a cardioid
might be fine as I do not need to hear myself, just the client responses.
"They need to be clear, because some people mutter and I must hear numbers
clearly enough to transcribe them later, so what might be thought of as
transcription quality is insufficient.  I thought of the lapel mics, but
that might intimidate people.  Is the quality of the boundary microphones
good?  I've never heard one used, so have no comparison experience.
*** The quality of boundary mikes can be good , but their signal to noise is
often not as good as other mikes.

A microphone that could switch between a cardioid and figure 8 would meet a
couple of purposes, wonder if anything is available that I can afford.
*** My guess is here that you're talking at least $800 for a multi position
mike.  AKG makes one in around that price range.  Actually, it is much more,
but I have a few good sources for getting deals.  However, there is one
scenario I left out.  One can get some rather nice single point stereo mikes
for about $400  The Rode nt4 is one of the better ones for that price and it
is very quiet relative to its competition.
Then there is also an Audio Technica AT-822 which is quite good.  Not quite
as quiet as the Rode but its capsules are angled at 110 degrees instead of
90 degrees giving one a bit more stereo separation. With either of these
mikes, you could either face the microphone toward your clients and pick
them all up while still being able to hear yourself well enough even though
you are behind the microphone. Or, you could face the mike so that one
channel is picking you up while the other is picking up the clients.

 I do not need the head mounted mic as my plans don't include discussing

finance while dodging 18 wheelers.
Larry has my admiration for being able to walk and dictate coherently at

the same time. [grin]
*** I agree about Larry, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he is
driving the 18 wheeler.  but I wasn't suggesting you were going to be
walking around.  I do know that some people who stand in front of a
microphone and speak are surprised to find that the next time they come back
to the same position to continue the recording, they are just a little
closer or further away.  Of course, there is more than one way to deal with
this, but I only mentioned the head worn mikes as one possible way.  One can
always set up the mike and make sure one is the same distance from it as one
was before.  It is simply something to be aware of when recording separate
segments of a longer recording.







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