Yes, and many seem to think that you would not be disabled if you just had faith. My mother has lately become very religious and recently told me that I never was given my sight because I never had enough faith. I told her I did not believe in blind faith anyway. Rose Combs rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: blindcooltech-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:blindcooltech-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:31 PM To: blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bct] Re: Podcast on comparing JAWS and Window-Eyes Mary, I often find that it is the people who go to church who can be the meanest. Obviously, there are lots of exceptions to this, but many religious people have their own way of thinking about things. I mean, why are there Methodists, Baptists, etc. People get all hung up on so many little things like does one get sprinkled when being baptized, or does one have to get dunked. Often people who are that opinionated have an opinion about people who do not believe as they do. They may also see people who are disabled as being different. You see where I am going with this, so I don't have to go there. Give me a person who is open to as many ways of thinking as can be crammed into their brain, and I'll show you a person I like, and who is likely not to discriminate against me or against others who happen to interpret life a bit differently from themselves. Neal -----Original Message----- From: blindcooltech-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:blindcooltech-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mary Emerson Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 5:23 PM To: blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bct] Re: Podcast on comparing JAWS and Window-Eyes Neal, That is a humiliating experience your professor had. I got a lot of that when I was in school; I was called "that thing" by kids who had obviously never dealt with disabled people; even in college when attending something with my room mate, kids from the nearby University of California sat near us specifically to make fun of us; my room mate was sighted, but they made fun of her helping me. I even got some of it in the work place. I even got humiliated by a couple of kids at a Billy Graham meeting one time who obviously had no training in how to deal with disabled people; we aren't supposed to hear them when they say offensive things about us and are standing a few feet away, and these kids were the ones who were "trained" to wander around, pestering people to "make a decision". It's all in the past though, so I chalk it up to ignorance. Just because somebody goes to church doesn't mean they can't be mean. I can too, I admit; when cult members come to my door, I slam it in their faces, and I am grateful they don't come back. There is a time to be firm and assertive; if you don't stand your ground with some people, they'll walk all over you and enjoy it. Mary, who really hates being confrontational but there's a time and place for everything.