[bct] Re: Intro Vocals

  • From: "Dana Niswonger" <dniswonger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:56:28 -0600

Hi Kai:
Yes, I hate it too and once rode Ted pretty hard about it in the early days of Jaws when he still talked to us normal folks. Ever since H-J became Freedom Science Fiction I haven't really liked the company. Well, you have given me a lot to think about with the sound mixing stuff. I'll tell you just a little about what I want to do and see if you might steer me in the right direction. I am interested in doing pod casting via my own website, just as Jonathan Mosen does on his at, mosenexplosion.com. I have purchased the R-1 and an I-Pod and I think I may have found out my file problems solution from Mary. I don't think I like winamp at all. While there are scripts provided within Jaws for using it, I have not found it to be very friendly and I have difficulty managing my music. I am beginning to explore other media players and hope to find one I like soon. I want to ask, if winamp is loading out of the system tray and I want to disable it, where is that little editor that allows us to uncheck things we don't want running out of the start up files. When I use ACBRadio I am able to choose which media player I want to use but not so with other things. This morning, I signed up at Audible.com and downloaded my first two books. I am still trying to figure out the AA. program we get from them and have yet to hear one word of either of my books. I like the way you mix sound and want to accomplish the same but with very hipped up results. I believe from my work within the schools that none of us experienced blind folk are reaching the young folks. At least, this is true in North and South Carolina. Very few of the students at junior and senior high schools are listening and some of them don't even know about us at all. They do however, know quite well who Bam is and so many of those M-TV. and other super jocks are and I want to do something about this situation. I have a very strong voice and have participated in many speech tournaments, as well as, been the captain of my debate team in high school. I also have a degree in telecommunications and one in electronic data processing. Don't think this makes me a hot shot though, for I am certainly not. I feel that with the right mix of words, sounds and music, the rage level might be turned down among the young. Well, enough of my soap boxing for now, please let me know where you think would be a good place for me to jump off into this web/pod casting thing.
Thanks: Dana

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kai" <kaixiong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 6:44 AM
Subject: [bct] Re: Intro Vocals

Greetings Dana.

Firstly: Might I add that I really dislike JFW's pronunciation of your
Secondly: Either a 16-bit or 24-bit wav file will do. And like I said,
if the wav file gets too big, you can always compress it.
Thirdly: I use several software packages for my audio mixing, and I'll
detail what I do with each below. Remember though, I'm no expert at
audio editing. I just do what I do as a hobby, so I'm pretty sure other
people will have quicker ways of doing things than I do.

Here's the list of applications:
Sound Forge 7.0 (
http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/products/showproduct.asp?pid=961 )::
This is a slightly outdated version (I think the latest is 8.3, or
something to that extent). This is the main program I use for my mixes.
The editing interface is very friendly, much like a word processor. It
also has very good effects controls (reverb, delay, chorus, noise gates,
pitch modulation, etc) which are all customizable, conversion methods
(say, from a 8-bit file to 16-bit, or mono to stereo, etc), sound file
processing (stripping empty space from the ends of files, time
compressing a file so that it will fit into a specific window of
duration, volume adjustments, etc), and quite a bit more. My version of
Sound Forge only supports DirectX plug-ins, but version 8+ supports VST,
I use the packaged scripts that come with JAWS, and can't really vouch
for Window-Eyes usage, since I don't own that product. With the package
JAWS scripts, there are still a few parts that remain slightly
inaccessible, and some parts that don't read as well as I'd like them
to. It is manageable though, and the program works amazingly well.

Gold Wave ( http://www.goldwave.com ): I use Gold Wave in tandem with
Sound Forge, because Gold Wave has nice noise filters, and a few other
effects that, while I could probably reproduce in Sound Forge, are
quicker to apply in Gold Wave. It's also about 10 times cheaper.
From creating stereo echoes, normalizing audio (I actually like Gold
Wave's normalization better than Sound Forge's), easy stereo panning
(which you can also fairly easily do in Sound Forge), noise reduction,
and batch conversion (applying an effect or technique to multiple files
at once), Gold Wave fills in the gaps where Sound Forge is either too
cumbersome to use, or doesn't support. Gold Wave supports DirectX
plug-ins, along with its own proprietary plug-in format. I don't think
it currently supports VST, sorry you MIDI (Musical Instrument Digital
Interface) lovers.
The program has worked well for me without any scripting required, and I
imagine that It'd work equally well in Window Eyes. All the menus and
dialogs are accessible, though the editing window could use a slight bit
of tweaking.

Audacity ( http://audacity.sourceforge.net ): While this open-source
sound-editing program isn't completely accessible (I still can't figure
out how to do a lot of things which involves using the main editing
window), it is very nice for doing multi-track recordings. Yes, I think
you could probably do that in Sound Forge, too, but Audacity just makes
it so much easier. It's also nice for doing voiceovers (you can
literally record on top of a background file without having to do manual
mixing). You can export the result into a single, mixed file or into
multiple, single-track files which you can mix later. It supports VST
and a couple of other plug-in formats, good for those who have a lot of
these software packages already.

HarddiskOgg ( www.fridgesoft.de ): This is a very small, very nimble
program that's made specifically for recording. It doesn't have any
effects or other utilities beyond normalization of the recorded
material, and it doesn't support any editing. It records, and that's all
it needs to do.
The program can record directly to OGG, MP3 (requires the lame.dll
file), wav, and a few other audio formats. If you're wanting to save
space while you're making live recordings, use this program. Since it
compresses as it records, you won't have to go in later and compress a
huge wav file, a productivity bonus.

A lot of blind people have also been touting Total Recorder (
www.highcriteria.com ) as a good recording package, though I've not had
much luck with it. The program is too proprietary in some of its
operations for my liking, and I haven't really sat down to try to learn
its various definitions, menus, dialogs, and what not.

-----Original Message----- From: blindcooltech-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:blindcooltech-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dana Niswonger Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:36 AM To: blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bct] Re: Intro Vocals

Hello Kai: Please excuse my misspelling of your name in my first message and consider it done, just as soon as my Edirol R-1 arrives. I expect it this week and will send you a 24 bit wave file if you would like. Thanks to Rob and his great demo I bought one my first day exploring Blind Cool Tech. Sorry if it takes me a while to pick up on all this web stuff, I have stayed in the background for so long being content to send e-mail and search the internet only when I needed to rather than enjoying the freedom of playing on it every day like I do now. If you can send me any tips and tricks for mixing sound files and information on what software you use and like I will appreciate it very much as I am still trying to make a sound decision in

that area.  O K, bad joke, lol!  Have a nice day everyone!

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kai" <kaixiong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:46 PM
Subject: [bct] Intro Vocals

Greetings Steve, Dana, and anyone else who might be interested:

Thank you for your responses. Yes, any help would be highly
The more diversity I can put into these mixes for the intro
music/transitions, the better.

I'd like to ask those of you who are interested in this project to
a recording of the following phrases for me. You can either have each
word/phrase in a separate file, or have all the words/phrases in one
file with sufficient space in between each one so that I can splice
file for mixing. If it's possible, try recording several inflections
a word or phrase. This will give me more flexibility in choosing the
right tone for the recording.

Here's the list of words I'd like to have you record. Each line means
new word or phrase (where you should pause after):





Here's another
Here is
And here is
And now

(random greeting, such as Hello there, or welcome to, etc)
Comes together, combine, join, meet (one or more of those listed
will do)

In case you think that list of words is long. Rest assured I had to go
through all those steps myself. It's a fairly tedious chore, so I'll
understand if you elect not to participate. I'd really appreciate it
you do, though.
If you can, please save the files in a .wav format, or at the highest
quality setting possible in mp3/wma. I request .wav, because then we
have no quality compromises when I uncompress the audio to insert it
into the mix.

Once you've gotten the file(s) recorded, please either zip it up or
simply leave it as is and send it to me via attachment. If you'd
establish another form of file transfer, please reply to me

Thank you again for your interest. I hope to hear from you soon.


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