Well about the time the list weirded out, I got really busy at work. I was working overtime for sure. and just too tired to deal with all the list traffic. So I made a quick couple of Outlook filters to zap the nastier messages and toss the rest in to a BlindCoolTech folder. Now it's all quiet at work and should continue to be quiet until Fall. So I'm going home at normal quitting time again. And I'm taking a real lunch break. I'm still working on Degunking Part II. I didn't run in to trouble exactly; I just had to decide how to keep it under 45 minutes and not have it drag on. Anyway, for the people who wrote me off-list; yes, I'm working on it and am sticking with free software you already have or can easily get. I'm also catching up listeningto casts and will probably have comments. --Debee * The biggest problem with communication is the illusion that it has occurred.