[bct] Re: Holistic health-- auras - western medicine.

  • From: "Jeff Armstrong" <jeffarmstrong1380@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:22:39 -0600

Hello again,

    Well, on the chiropractic front, I guess I can only go by my experience 
with them.  I had a chiropractor in my Toastmasters group.  He told me not to 
ever let myself be hypnotized because the "devil" would enter my body at this 
point.  I chalked it up to his being a nut.  The next chiropractor I met, told 
me he could cure asthma for my wife.  I never said that they couldn't 
manipulate a skeleton, just that they seem to make ridiculous claims which 
cannot be proven.  

    I purposely strived to stay from being insulting in my first email but 
obviously you chose to ignore that by calling me a "rambling science 
fundamentalist.".  From the outset, you fell right into the trap that most 
people fall into, no proof of your asertations.  Just attack the person who 
asks you for such proof.  I specifically asked for a citation of proof.  And, 
by labeling me as you did and going on to say that everyone with that label is 
useless, well, I can read.  There seems to be some need for you to make it a 
personal argument with insults, which was not my intention.  I simply stated my 
opinions and the things I know to be fact.  

    My aunt's death did not make me angry.  Where is your ability to see my 
aura's color and determine my mood.  She contributed to her own death, this is 
true, but, the chiropractor should have sent her to a MD for further testing 
when his attempts at treatment did not resolve her condition.  I personally 
believe that chiropractors believe themselves capable of healing far more than 
they can.  If you have found one who sticks to the back popping and muscular 
massage, then you have found a good one who knows the limitations of his chosen 

      Why waste my time by stating obvious facts like death is natural.  Yes, 
we all know this, but to die needlessly early, at 53 years old is not natural.  
Her family would agree with me.

      You assume, in your rant, that I didn't consider all the arguments you 
make about the failures of "western" medicine over the years.  Nothing could be 
further from the truth.  AS I stated earlier, one takes a risk that the doctor, 
whatever type, won't be able to figure it out.  Mine was an argument for having 
someone offer up proof of the claims about auras, psychic healing, and other so 
called "alternative" forms of medicine.

      My experience tends to agree about acupuncture on the pain front.  This 
is a well known human reaction.  If one experiences pain, the brain produces 
endorphins and other soothing and pain blocking chemicals and hormones.  That 
is as far as it goes.  I rarely ever use pain medication like aspirin or 
Tylenol because I know that the brain will often relieve the pain with it's own 

      As for acupressure and other forms of the healing touch, again, it has 
been shown effective in some cases but I argue that it is simply the human 
caring contact and attention that helps to make people feel better.  You could 
probably do any soothing touching and interactive treatment and get similar 
results.  You keep claiming that electrical or some other kind of energy 
manipulation is involved, simply document it and show me the proof, that's not 
a lot to ask.  I state that there is no such thing as an "aura" and I defy 
anyone to prove otherwise.  I am a student of science, this much is true, and I 
will not be forced into buying into any claim that cannot be proven to me using 
scientific testing.  Photography is not a valid scientific method since photos 
can be manipulated very easily.  Before long, I imagine that most photographic 
evidence will not be allowable in court because of the proliferation of 
photographic manipulation techniques and software.  

      You state that doctors are not "GOD", this is not a religious argument 
and that assertion is yours alone, that word or characterization was not in my 
original writing.  Please stick to the words I wrote, do not put words in my 

      I also realize that "modern" medicine is founded on practices that came 
before it, but only on practices that proved to be useful.  We don't rub two 
sticks together any longer to start a fire.

      And as for genetically caused blindness, in a truly "survival of the 
fittest",  scenario, blind people and there associated genes might not survive 
to reproduce, and therefore, our civilization, by its desire to be accepting of 
physical limitations, has made it so that blind people are able to survive and 
keep their damaged genes in the pool.  This is not an argument about what is 
right or wrong, but simply a scientific fact.  In the past, if someone had not 
decided to support and help their blind children so that they could grow to 
adult age and have children of their own, the trait would have been removed 
from humanity.  So, modern living conditions do not require humans to evolve in 
the same way as a wild animal.  Thus, in some ways, humans have far more 
genetic weakness than wild animals and have, in fact, stunted their own 
evolution.  This is our choice and is based on our own moral beliefs, not any 
ability for limiting genetic factors to survive in any other way.  We also 
protect our mentally challenged children as well as many other even more severe 
physically and mentally limited humans who would not have survived without 
modern medical intervention.  In all life forms, some genetic mutation takes 
place over time, perhaps due to the effects of radiation in the environment, 
but whatever the cause, in wild animals, useful changes allow creatures to 
adapt to their environment, harmful or limiting mutations often lead to a 
shortened existence and the inability to reach the age of reproduction.  Thus, 
if a wild animal were blind, it would be because blindness was not a limiting 
factor in it's environment, or another physical ability was strong enough to 
overcome the limitations of blindness.  So, maybe a race of blind humans could 
have survived in the wilderness, if their other abilities developed strongly 
enough to allow them to live into their teens or twenties.  It is an 
interesting proposal.

    My main assertation still stands, show me verifiable proof of the existence 
of an aura, and the effectiveness of most "alternative" medicine not including 
the presence of human interaction which skews the results.  Again, this is not 
a damning of all medical techniques that are not available in a MD's office, I 
have fully supported your expression that many of these have valid uses.  I 
just don't believe that the actual therapy is as important as the human 
interaction which results in furthered relaxation and thereby allows for 
further healing.  Surely there must be experimental data out there which 
verifies the existence of the aura?  Just point me to it.  I will gladly learn 
something new if it is available.  Otherwise that myth is busted.
Jeff Armstrong

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Slythy_Tove 
  To: blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 5:20 PM
  Subject: [bct] Re: Holistic health-- auras - western medicine.

  Golly, so many points to pick apart, so little time.  

  I guess I'll organize this away from the rambling science fundamentalism 
diatribe so it makes more sense.


  While considered alternative, Chiropractic developed in America and is part 
of Western medicine,  Most doctors now admit that chiropractic treatment is 
effective for back and neck pain and those who don't are science fundies and 
generally useless.  

  Also, western medicine includes doctors of Osteopathy which are doctors who 
are medical doctors who also do chiropractic manipulations they have renamed 


  Chiropractors are no more psychic than M.D.'s or D.O's or dentists are.  The 
M.D. who misdiagnosed my mother's cancer made a mistake and it was a logical 
mistake based on his past experience.  

  How do you know that the same did not happen with your aunt's chiropractor?  
I re alize you are angry, but your aunt chose to see only a chiropractor and 
not avail herself of a secondary opinion from a medical doctor or anyone else, 
from the sounds of it. 

  Chiropractors regularly refer to medical doctors.  Doctors refer to 
chiropractors.  Neither of them have crystal balls when it comes to treatment.  
If you realized how much misdiagnosis and death went on at the hands of an M.D. 
you'd probably never go again.  But the fact is that people die - it is a 
natural thing, not an unnatural thing.


  Acupuncture was starting to be integrated into Western medicine years ago.  
In the 60's one of the doctors in the little practice we went to practiced 
acupuncture for various problems including weight loss, sleep disturbance, etc. 
 He also used hypnosis.  He was an M.D.  

  Acupuncture has been proven to stimulate endorphins and control pain. 
Acupuncuture is used for major surgery in China - no medication for pain and 
the patient is not suffering.  Acupuncture reduces swelling - no one knows the 
method, but it works and it works dramatically.  It helps with endometriosis 
pain.  It doesn't cure cancer, it doesn't do a lot of things, but what it does, 
it does well.  

  Reiki, like acupuncuture, generally deals with pain issues and it works 
energetically, just like acupuncture and acupressure does.  It is so good at 
dealing with stress and pain that it is taught to nurses to help patients deal 
with pain and stress when hosptialized.  In fact, my nurse practitioner who was 
trained at Harvard in Boston was taught reiki there - in a bastion of western 

  Crystal therapy - not that you mentioned it - but it is something I hear 
about - I consider sort of on the bogus side, but that is because crystals are 
merely transmitters of energy as in pizoeletric.  


  Everything has some sort of an aura because everything is made of the stuff 
the universe is made of.  Trees have auras.  Rocks have auras, if you know how 
to distinguish them.  Humans have auras too.  We can photograph auras using 
kirillian photography or aural photography.  I can't see them, but I can feel 

  I can tell where "hot spots" are on people when I am working on them and I 
can find a muscle knot or a hidden bruise under clothing without touching 
someone.  Would I use aural work to cure typhoid?  Not as a first choice, no.  
If it was all there was, then I'd do my best to help the person rest and give 
their immune system a chance to work and help fight the infection.  I'd also 
find a homeopath or an herbalist to provide care.

   Did you know that you can use hypnosis (assuming the hypnotist is a good 
one) and have teeth extracted without pain or major surgery done without pain?  
For some persons who would die from the anesthetics, there is no other option.  
I had an acquaintance in Anchorage who did hypnotic pain desensitization work 
for dental procedures and things as complex as an appendectomy.   Biofeedback 
grew out of hypnosis which has been around since there were shamen, only now 
there are machines.  There is really not a whit of difference, as my 
biofeedback technician (a clinicial psychologist with a PhD)  told me when I 
was doing it.  It is only easier to tell when you are making progress now in 
terms of watching your temperature in your fingers rise and fall on the 
computer screen.  Hypnosis and biofeedback work equally well on blood pressure 
and migraines.  And what I do with friends of mine with serious migrains works 
as well as what their hypnotherapists and biofeedback technicians do as it 
involves a number of the same self-healing techniques they use.


  Homeopathy is a well recognized science in England, much to the chagrin of 
M.D.'s and it was also the first organized medicine in the U.S. until the 
M.D.'s drove them out of their own organization and did a great job of lying 
about homeopathy.  

  Interestingly enough, in countries that recognize homeopathy (everywhere but 
here in terms of the western world) the greatest moves to allow diabetics to 
care for their own blood glucose measurements came far before the American M.D. 
was willing to lose the income from monthly blood tests.  A pox on all their 
houses for all the people they killed without a qualm because of chasing the 
almighty dollar.  What incredible arrogance most M.D.'s have.  

  Since homeopathy works on animals there is, in fact, proof that it does work 
because you can't convince an animal it will improve and thereby create a 
placebo effect.


  I admit it - I take some pills. And every time I put one in my mouth I know 
it could kill me or maim me for life.  Let's see, the fen-phen debacle comes to 
mind.  The people who die from reactions to antibiotics.  The psychotics who 
are forced to take antipsychotics that will give them such terrible and 
irreversable side effects that they are physically destroyed by it and 
sometimes die from the side effects.  Are you better off delusional or unable 
to walk, talk, or swallow?  

  But even if the medication works the right way, doesn't do what it did to 
Ariel Sharon (he is the way he is because of taking medication to thin his 
blood, you know) you still owe most of what you take to herbalists and 
traditional healers because we've been using this stuff for time out of mind it 
its natural form. 


  Realize that most of the time you are going to an allopathic physician they 
are making an educated guess at what the problem is.  I've had specialists 
admit to me that they don't know what my skin problem is nor why I have it and 
they certainly have n o idea what to do about it.  They do know my 
granddaughter has the symptoms of a disorder called Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease 
(a neuromuscular disorder) but she does not have the genetics for it - after 
two tests. I say that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is a 
duck.  Deal with the issue and worry about the genetic profile later.  

  I find that people who have a blend of western and eastern training are more 
rational about what can and cannot be done.  Andrew Weil is a pretty good 
example of that, for the most part and so is my nurse practition who is a 
Harvard trained nurse practitioner who is also an acupuncturist and a Chinese 
herbalist and who has been well employed in the western medical community.  


  While I agree that Western medicine has, on average, been more helpful than 
harmful in the last 50 years, it has also provided us with the low fat diet 
that spawned the obesity epidemic in America, the thalidomide disaster that 
afflicted many children, and many more problems.  So there has been a balance 
of benefit and detriment.  


  And I must disagree that it is not true that only survival abilities win out 
in the gene pool or there would be no genetic blindness, no genetic 
difficulties like my granddaughter has, etc.  In fact, there are all sorts of 
inherited disabilities that are not profound enough to totally eliminate people 
from the gene pool in a civilized society or which are recessive and are not 
bred out so they keep popping up again. My daughter has an autosomal dominant 
disorder and apparently a recessive one as well, so it is not that people who 
utilize other forms of healing are not just blindly rejecting western medicine, 
but that recognizing there is more to the world than just western medicine.


  There have been at least five mass extinctions in the last 3.5 billion ye ars 
and I believe I can say with confidence we cannot blame folk medicine on them.  

  With or without the Chinese belief in Tiger penis or Rhino horn as medicine, 
these animals are doomed because our world is so over populated that they will 
either be eaten or so confined that there will not be enough space for them to 
exist.  Chimps are being eaten by starving Africans and they will soon be gone 
- not as folk medicine, but food.


  Life expectancy was much higher before a) grains were farmed and b) cities 
developed which put people in close and unsanitary proximity to each other.

  American Indians had a pretty good life expectancy until white people got 
here - but they generally did not grow grains and they did not stay in the same 
place long enough to get ill from waste products. 

  Dan will give you more of the scoop on the grain problem and life expectancy. 


  If steer manure is the best sort of fertilizer, why is human waste so bad?  
In fact, they use solid human waste in other countries and they are not all 
dead yet as all our teeming billions are still here.

  I know Dan is going to write something as well, so I will end with this.  No 
point in beating an issue to death. 

  I suspect you have gathered that I disagree with much of your post.  (smile)


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