[bct] Re: Copyright issues and the talent show

  • From: "derek Lane" <derek@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:27:15 -0500

Well, I read somewhere that in the mid 1800's some really talented but very 
bored person sat down and figured out every possible chord in every key, and 
the combinations of chords that could be used which would have a logical 
It's a good thing that this individual is no longer alive today, & thus is 
obviously not working for  any recording/music distribution company.

-----Original Message-----
.From: "Hope"<musicofhope@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
.Sent: 3/3/06 2:18:00 PM
.To: "blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"<blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
.Subject: [bct] Re: Copyright issues and the talent show
.Hi Lynnette and list,
.Gracious me, we have to have a license to sing Happy Birthday?!  I guess
.that means I've been breaking the law from the time I could speak or sing a
.note!  <grin>  What next, "Little Bunny Foo Foo?"  <grins>
.-----Original Message-----
.From: blindcooltech-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
.[mailto:blindcooltech-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Lynnette
.Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:44 AM
.To: blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
.Subject: [bct] Re: Copyright issues and the talent show
.Well, Ray,
.You just may be right.
.I understand that laws must be obeyed.  However, it doesn't preclude the
.fact that an individual who does not compose their own material is left out
.of the performing arena.  It's very sad indeed.
.Believe it or not, though, some disc jockeys here in NYC had to stop
.themselves from singing the traditional happy birthday song because they
.didn't have a license.  I just thought that was truly outrageous.
.----- Original Message -----
.From: "Ray Foret Jr." <rforetjr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
.To: <blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
.Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 7:14 AM
.Subject: [bct] Re: Copyright issues and the talent show
.> Well, for one, I think Neal is right to do what he's having to do; and
.> yet,
.> I can't help but wonder.  I fear the time will soon come when we are so
.> worried about copy right law violations that ALL creativity is stifled.
.> Indeed, it may become so badly stifled that even the simple act of singing
.> "happy Birthday" at a child's birthday party would be enough to get you
.> sued.
.>    "but," you will doubtless protest, ""Happy Birthday" is in the public
.> domain; so, how could that ever happen?"   Well, the answer is quite
.> clear.
.> It could happen because the more violations of copy right law there are,
.> the
.> stricter those laws will become.  They will become so strict that you
.> can't
.> even sing "happy Birthday" at a party anymore.  Now, "How will they know
.> if
.> somebody does that anyhow?" you may well ask.  We are being monitored so
.> much nowadays that it doesn't take much of an effort to imagine the copy
.> right police planting little microphones in everybody's heads at birth
.> just
.> so they can listen in.  Some people are already having computer chips
.> implanted in their bodies (no thank you) and that's scary enough.
.>    "BUT SURELY," YOU SAY, "THIS IS ALL exaggeration.  Surely the
.> government
.> would NEVER do anything like this."  Don't you believe it.  How about the
.> time when the IRAA went after a poor eighty-four-yera-old lady and accused
.> her of downloading songs illegally?  She didn't even have a windows
.> machine.
.> She was using an Apple.  At the time of this episode, Itunes didn't even
.> exist.  How about that?
.> Sincerely yours,
.> The Constantly Barefoot,
.> Ray
.> Home phone and fax:
.> (985)853-0139
.> E-mail:
.> rforetjr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
.> Skype Name:
.> barefootedray
.> Blog:
.> www.raysworld.blogs.com
.> God bless President George W. Bush!
.> God bless our troops!
.> and God bless America
.> ----- Original Message -----
.> From: "The Scarlet Wombat" <coconut@xxxxxxx>
.> To: <blindcooltech@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
.> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 5:51 AM
.> Subject: [bct] Copyright issues and the talent show
.> DJD, not all of the talent show files came with introductions, Neal may
.> not
.> have known who was performing.
.> I did some extensive legal research last night with my wife, in her 3rd
.> year of law school, and was surprised at the results.
.> It seems that current copyright law restricts even gratis performances of
.> works still in copyright.  For example, Neal mentioned the song "Cheek to
.> Cheek.  Performing this song, even if for no remuneration, is a violation
.> of current copyright law, unless there is permission from ASCAPk, BMI or
.> whomever owns the copyright.  I find this to be extremely narrow and
.> stupid, but it is the law and we cannot afford to violate it.  Awards are
.> growing for copyright violaters and companies are becoming more willing to
.> prosecute the small fry.  The notes are considered a formula, and like a
.> recipe in a cookbook, are uncopyrightable.
.> This means you can perform the music to Cheek to Cheek, but you cannot
.> sing
.> the words in a public performance without permission.  You can, however,
.> change the words to make a parody or satire of the song, that is allowed.
.> For example, you could modify the song to be about the other cheeks. [big
.> grin]
.> This copyright stuff is enough to give everyone a headache, but Neal is
.> protecting us all by his insistance upon doing the right thing.
.> Dan
.> The words of a song are what are copyrighted, the notes are not.
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