Re: blindcasting Digest V3 #60

  • From: "Gary Wood" <k8hlx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 01:51:12 -0500

Expensive!  Thanks!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Acosta" <boacosta@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: blindcasting Digest V3 #60


Gary, You are close, the Icon costs $1395.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Wood" <k8hlx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: blindcasting Digest V3 #60


I heard that the Icons cost way more than that, around $1,500!
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Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: blindcasting Digest V3 #60


Yes, I too like the old decktalk and eleq voices. I have just purchased an 8525 PDA (it was a Cngular 8525 when I got it back in January from the Cingular/att store). I have tried MSP for one month and really like it. I too tried to install a trial version of Pocket Hall and it did something to my Os and I had to take it back to ATT to get it reinstalled. I don't know what happened. Anyway, I think I'll get the MSP now, as it seems to do what I look.

I would, however, like to know how to install and use the Stowaway keyboard. I got one from JR music, but never have been able to use. I finally learned how to connect a bluetooth headset. I use a one-ear one; however, I'd like to use a stereo ()two-ear) set. What are some good ones?

Anyway, the one thing about these phone/pda screen readers is the big price. I payed around $400 - $50 rebate for my phone and, the last I looked, MSP cost around $599, much more than the phone. I know those Code Factory people have to make money, but couldn't they do something about the phone. I could buy a notebook for that price. Anyway, despite the price, it is good, but I must save up a little to get it.

Anyway, thanks very much or your info on this product.

James Robinson----- Original Message ----- From: "FreeLists Mailing List Manager" <ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 11:31 PM
Subject: blindcasting Digest V3 #60


blindcasting Digest Sun, 27 May 2007 Volume: 03  Issue: 060

In This Issue:
Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky!
Latest podcast, trying again.
RE: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky!
RE: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.
RE: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky!

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From: "jerry" <jerry.mader@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky!
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 07:34:26 -0400

I remember being scared, (when i was 3 years old) of a friend of mine's speach synthesiser, that was used because he wasn't able to use his normal vocal cords, and it sounded the same way the echo sounded back in those days.
After i found out it wasn't gonna hurt me, i was fine with it lol.
But i didn't know where the obnoctious voice was coming from.
Brings back lots and lots of memories.
Jerry
----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Wood
 To: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 1:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky!

I also remember the low quality of synthesized speech back in those days. I also had an Apple 2E in the 80s! ----- Original Message ----- From: Chip Johnson
   To: Marquette, Ed
Cc: Vincent Mistretta ; Victor Tsaran ; Deanne Fernandez ; Shane Jackson ; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Geoff Stephens ; blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
   Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:02 PM
   Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky!


I'm with you. First PC was an 8088 with two floppies and no HD using Sonix TTS and Artic Vision. I did however have a lightning-fast 1200 baud modem but had to make due with BBSes cause there was no Internet. Anyway, Fonix doesn't bother me at all. I think it's great to have access to my cell phone. Thanks for a trip down memory lane.

   Marquette, Ed wrote:
Hello all:
Was following the thread about the Fonix voices.  This is clearly a
generational thing.
I'm sure most of you are way too young to remember the Echo (for the
Apple II) or the Echo-PC (for the 8088 version of the IBM PC).
These, of course, came from the early 80's, and sounded like a robot in
an early 50's science fiction movie with a tracheotomy.
So, when you get used to that, Fonix sounds like heavenly music.
<SMILE>
Just thought I'd add perspective.


-----Original Message-----
From: msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vincent
Mistretta
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:15 AM
To: 'Victor Tsaran'; 'Deanne Fernandez'; 'Shane Jackson';
msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Geoff Stephens'
Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.

Just to make a lighter note to this discussion...

Has anyone using the Fonix version for US noticed a hint of a Spanish
accent to the male voices?  I've only tried a couple, but noticed each
had a very slight accent not noticed on any other Fonix implementation I
have used prior.


Vince Mistretta
Speak to me on SKYPE ->
Skype Name: vin5451
Get Skype at
http://www.skype.com

Call me at:
Cellular: (561)267-7938


-----Original Message-----
From: msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Victor Tsaran
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:32 AM
To: Deanne Fernandez; 'Shane Jackson'; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Geoff
Stephens
Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.

Funny that you say that... I am just trying a 30-day license of
Mobilespeak on my Nokia N95, since it's the only player in town, and
find that all those Akoppelas do not compare to Eloquence.
First of all, they are slower, in my opinion, and second, they exagerate
speech to much, thus making it difficult to operate the phone.
I wonder why Code Factory decided to abandon Eloquence TTS.
Regards,
Vic

--- Deanne Fernandez <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 I agree that Eloquence is much easier to understand than the voices
offered for MSP or MSS.  I am currently using Loquendo Dave for US
English.  I'm still trying to learn how to put more than one voice on
my phone without paying for more than one license.  I, too, can't
understand certain words, even after reviewing them several times.  I
haven't yet figured out how to spell words on my motorola Q.  I
wouldn't mind a slightly slow response time with Eloquence if I could
understand the speech better.  Sometimes, even when I know what
Loquendo Dave is saying, the word still doesn't sound llike an actual
word.
Deanne
----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Stephens
 To: 'Shane Jackson' ; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.


 I have been showing my 8525 to various blind people since I'm a new
MSP user and am anxious to let people know how usable and intuitive
Code Factory has made these devices.
Veteran synthesized speech users as well as newbies agree that the
speech makes MSP a less than appealing solution.  In fact, many seem
to become completely disinterested in all the rest of the
demonstration after they hear the Fonix speech.  It seems that
everybody wants Eloquence.  I truly believe Code Factory could sell
significantly more copies of MSP if Eloquence was available.

 I have tried to condition myself to Fonix but I have to admit that
it is still difficult for me after a month and a half of use.  I'm not

 very productive with it.  I will live with it because I have to do so.
I generally use arate of 19.
I frequently have to go back and review words I did not understand.
I use eloquence at a much faster rate (75 percent of maximum with JAWS

 for example) and do not have any problem reading at that rate.

 I have seen arguments on this list about the responsiveness of
Fonix.  I support those who contend that it is not very responsive.
It is difficult to provide support for that argument since there are
many factors to consider including the device and the screen reader.
How are we to know how responsive Eloquence would be with MSP if we
haven't used it?
I don't know how to qualify it except to say I suspect it would be
bettter.

 I didn't listen to the entire podcast but skimmed through it and
wanted to let you know that the keys above the QWERTY keyboard are the

 left and right soft keys in case you want to use them in the future.
I was forced to do  so a couple of weeks ago when the front keyboard
on my 8525 stopped working.
I have since received a replacement and it is working fine.  I have
continued the habit of using the soft keys on the QWERTY keyboard when

 it is open.  For a long time I did not realize that those keys were
actually keys.  I thought they were part of the communication that
must occur to let the device know when the keyboard is opened and
closed.  They are a little awkward to press at first but they work
very well.



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From: "Shane Jackson" <jack728@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Latest podcast, trying again.
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 10:30:21 -0500

Hey, you all. I've done some tweaking, and feedburner will now download my podcast properly if you're using Juice or Winamp or any other podcatching client. Thanks so much to Scott R for letting me know that he couldn't get it. I couldn't either, Scott, until I did a little adjusting a few minutes ago, and it's working as I write this one. Also, the sound is pretty bad, people. I used SoundForge and had a wonderful thing going. However, I then
opened Goldwave to do some final editing, and it all went downhill from
there. The compression pre-set that I used totally messed things up, and I didn't realize it until I had already saved the thing. Why? Well it sounds ok to my half-deaf ears using everything but Winamp. I learned the horrible truth when I loaded it up in Winamp, so there you go. Also, this is podcast 34, a fact that I never allude to except for making a wise crack at the very beginning of the show. Yes, I use all my usual weird sense of humor all
through this thing, so get ready.  My veteran listeners are used to it.
They know I wouldn't hurt a flea, even if that flea uses Goldwave. I know it is operator error, but Goldwave, which I was trying yet again for the umpteenth time, is gone from my system, again for the umpteenth time. Ok, enough. Listen, enjoy, and criticize. That's what we as blind people do,
right?  Have fun!

Shane Jackson
Hoover, Alabama, USA
"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof,
for correction, for training in righteousness;
so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."
2 Timothy 3:16-17 (NASB)





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From: "M. Taylor" <mktay@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky!
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 09:22:10 -0700

Does anyone remember the Speakqualizer? It was a hardware synthesizer from
back in the mid 80s.  I loved that thing.

M*rk

-----Original Message-----
From: blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:04 PM
To: 'Marquette, Ed'; 'Vincent Mistretta'; 'Victor Tsaran'; 'Deanne
Fernandez'; 'Shane Jackson'; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Geoff Stephens'
Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky!

Ed,

Yes, I sure do remember the Echo, the Cricket, and that horrible Votrax. Despite their sound, I used to use the Echo cranked up to its fastest speed
and had no trouble understanding it.

Today, many many many years later (grin) I can't stand running speech at
full speed because it makes me nervous.  (lol)  Like you said, even the
Fonix Dectalk sounds like heaven compared to what we had back then.

In fact, I remember your name from the Apple days. I think you had written
a couple of list programs.  I used to write the Prokey macros for
ScreenTalk.  (smile)



--Warmest regards,

--Rick Alfaro
--rick.alfaro@xxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 11:04 AM
To: Vincent Mistretta; Victor Tsaran; Deanne Fernandez; Shane Jackson;
msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Geoff Stephens
Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky!


Hello all:
Was following the thread about the Fonix voices.  This is clearly a
generational thing.
I'm sure most of you are way too young to remember the Echo (for the
Apple II) or the Echo-PC (for the 8088 version of the IBM PC).
These, of course, came from the early 80's, and sounded like a robot in
an early 50's science fiction movie with a tracheotomy.
So, when you get used to that, Fonix sounds like heavenly music.
<SMILE>
Just thought I'd add perspective.


-----Original Message-----
From: msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vincent
Mistretta
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:15 AM
To: 'Victor Tsaran'; 'Deanne Fernandez'; 'Shane Jackson';
msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Geoff Stephens'
Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.

Just to make a lighter note to this discussion...

Has anyone using the Fonix version for US noticed a hint of a Spanish
accent to the male voices?  I've only tried a couple, but noticed each
had a very slight accent not noticed on any other Fonix implementation I
have used prior.


Vince Mistretta
Speak to me on SKYPE ->
Skype Name: vin5451
Get Skype at
http://www.skype.com

Call me at:
Cellular: (561)267-7938


-----Original Message-----
From: msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Victor Tsaran
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:32 AM
To: Deanne Fernandez; 'Shane Jackson'; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Geoff
Stephens
Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.

Funny that you say that... I am just trying a 30-day license of
Mobilespeak on my Nokia N95, since it's the only player in town, and
find that all those Akoppelas do not compare to Eloquence.
First of all, they are slower, in my opinion, and second, they exagerate
speech to much, thus making it difficult to operate the phone.
I wonder why Code Factory decided to abandon Eloquence TTS.
Regards,
Vic

--- Deanne Fernandez <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I agree that Eloquence is much easier to understand than the voices
offered for MSP or MSS.  I am currently using Loquendo Dave for US
English.  I'm still trying to learn how to put more than one voice on
my phone without paying for more than one license.  I, too, can't
understand certain words, even after reviewing them several times.  I
haven't yet figured out how to spell words on my motorola Q.  I
wouldn't mind a slightly slow response time with Eloquence if I could
understand the speech better.  Sometimes, even when I know what
Loquendo Dave is saying, the word still doesn't sound llike an actual
word.
Deanne
----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Stephens
  To: 'Shane Jackson' ; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.


  I have been showing my 8525 to various blind people since I'm a new
MSP user and am anxious to let people know how usable and intuitive
Code Factory has made these devices.
Veteran synthesized speech users as well as newbies agree that the
speech makes MSP a less than appealing solution.  In fact, many seem
to become completely disinterested in all the rest of the
demonstration after they hear the Fonix speech.  It seems that
everybody wants Eloquence.  I truly believe Code Factory could sell
significantly more copies of MSP if Eloquence was available.

  I have tried to condition myself to Fonix but I have to admit that
it is still difficult for me after a month and a half of use.  I'm not

very productive with it.  I will live with it because I have to do so.
I generally use arate of 19.
 I frequently have to go back and review words I did not understand.
I use eloquence at a much faster rate (75 percent of maximum with JAWS

for example) and do not have any problem reading at that rate.

  I have seen arguments on this list about the responsiveness of
Fonix.  I support those who contend that it is not very responsive.
It is difficult to provide support for that argument since there are
many factors to consider including the device and the screen reader.
How are we to know how responsive Eloquence would be with MSP if we
haven't used it?
I don't know how to qualify it except to say I suspect it would be
bettter.

  I didn't listen to the entire podcast but skimmed through it and
wanted to let you know that the keys above the QWERTY keyboard are the

left and right soft keys in case you want to use them in the future.
I was forced to do  so a couple of weeks ago when the front keyboard
on my 8525 stopped working.
I have since received a replacement and it is working fine.  I have
continued the habit of using the soft keys on the QWERTY keyboard when

it is open.  For a long time I did not realize that those keys were
actually keys.  I thought they were part of the communication that
must occur to let the device know when the keyboard is opened and
closed.  They are a little awkward to press at first but they work
very well.



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From: "M. Taylor" <mktay@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 09:27:08 -0700

Yes, I like Smart Hal as well except for the fact that is does not work well with Microsoft's Voice Command. I am a huge fan of Voice Command and use it
regularly.  I informed the tech support people about it at Dolphin.

By the way, Windows Mobile 6 comes with Voice Command. There is no need to
purchase it separately, anymore.

M*rk

-----Original Message-----
From: blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hamish Mackenzie
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:15 PM
To: Silatul Rahim Bin Dahman; Victor Tsaran; Deanne Fernandez; 'Shane
Jackson'; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Geoff Stephens
Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.

Hi All

I would just like to chip in on the eloquence debate. I have a licence for
MSS as this was the only player several months back but I was also not
really enjoying the voice.  I recently trialed Smart Hal which has the
eloquence voices and I liked it so much I bought the product.  On the
battery life i find i actually get a longer time between charges than with
MSS.  I also dont get any crashes when coming out of having the keypad
locked nor do i seem to have any random crashes from time to time. Now to keep this a fair comment I would like to point out that MSS is probably a more feature rich product that works slightly better on the web and has more

configuration options but the voice was just killing me. Smart Hal works very well with the phone contacts and messaging and I would suggest anyone with a smart phone gives it a go. They offer a 30 day trial as well. I am
using an O2 Graphite by the way.

Please dont take this as a direct criticism of MSS which it is not I am
merely pointing out an alternative to people who are having problems with the voice. I would be back to MSS in a flash if they got eloquence as an
option.

Cheers for now

Hamish
----- Original Message ----- From: "Silatul Rahim Bin Dahman" <stncom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Victor Tsaran" <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>; "Deanne Fernandez"
<dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "'Shane Jackson'" <jack728@xxxxxxxxx>;
<msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Geoff Stephens" <geoffslists@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.


Hi Victor,

CodeFactory decided to abandon Eloquence TTS cuz many users were
experiencing the problem of battery running out too fast. It seemed that
Eloquence drains out the battery very fast.  I experienced the same
problem
myself when I was using Mobile Speak on the Symbian Phone about 2 or 3
years
ago. There might be other reasons too which only CodeFactory knows why.

Regards,
Rahim


----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Tsaran" <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Deanne Fernandez" <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "'Shane Jackson'"
<jack728@xxxxxxxxx>; <msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Geoff Stephens"
<geoffslists@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.


Funny that you say that... I am just trying a 30-day license of
Mobilespeak on my Nokia N95, since it's the only player in town,
and find that all those Akoppelas do not compare to Eloquence.
First of all, they are slower, in my opinion, and second, they
exagerate speech to much, thus making it difficult to operate
the phone.
I wonder why Code Factory decided to abandon Eloquence TTS.
Regards,
Vic

--- Deanne Fernandez <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I agree that Eloquence is much easier to understand than the
voices offered for MSP or MSS.  I am currently using Loquendo
Dave for US English.  I'm still trying to learn how to put
more than one voice on my phone without paying for more than
one license.  I, too, can't understand certain words, even
after reviewing them several times.  I haven't yet figured out
how to spell words on my motorola Q.  I wouldn't mind a
slightly slow response time with Eloquence if I could
understand the speech better.  Sometimes, even when I know
what Loquendo Dave is saying, the word still doesn't sound
llike an actual word.
Deanne
----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Stephens
  To: 'Shane Jackson' ; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded
tonight.


  I have been showing my 8525 to various blind people since
I'm a new MSP user and am anxious to let people know how
usable and intuitive Code Factory has made these devices.
Veteran synthesized speech users as well as newbies agree that
the speech makes MSP a less than appealing solution.  In fact,
many seem to become completely disinterested in all the rest
of the demonstration after they hear the Fonix speech.  It
seems that everybody wants Eloquence.  I truly believe Code
Factory could sell significantly more copies of MSP if
Eloquence was available.

  I have tried to condition myself to Fonix but I have to
admit that it is still difficult for me after a month and a
half of use.  I'm not very productive with it.  I will live
with it because I have to do so.  I generally use arate of 19.
 I frequently have to go back and review words I did not
understand.  I use eloquence at a much faster rate (75 percent
of maximum with JAWS for example) and do not have any problem
reading at that rate.

  I have seen arguments on this list about the responsiveness
of Fonix.  I support those who contend that it is not very
responsive.  It is difficult to provide support for that
argument since there are many factors to consider including
the device and the screen reader.  How are we to know how
responsive Eloquence would be with MSP if we haven't used it?
I don't know how to qualify it except to say I suspect it
would be bettter.

  I didn't listen to the entire podcast but skimmed through it
and wanted to let you know that the keys above the QWERTY
keyboard are the left and right soft keys in case you want to
use them in the future.  I was forced to do  so a couple of
weeks ago when the front keyboard on my 8525 stopped working.
I have since received a replacement and it is working fine.  I
have continued the habit of using the soft keys on the QWERTY
keyboard when it is open.  For a long time I did not realize
that those keys were actually keys.  I thought they were part
of the communication that must occur to let the device know
when the keyboard is opened and closed.  They are a little
awkward to press at first but they work very well.




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From: "M. Taylor" <mktay@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky!
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:15:26 -0700

Easy, easy, easy, Scott.

There is no need to get rude. I, for one, have enjoyed reading everyone's
opinion on this subject.  It does not matter whether or not MSS will
incorporate one TTS over another.  The important thing is that we are a
community of differing opinions.

Have a happy day, OK?

Most Sincerely,

M*rk




-----Original Message-----
From: blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Rutkowski
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:00 PM
To: David Tanner; MusiqMan; Marquette, Ed; Vincent Mistretta; Victor Tsaran; Deanne Fernandez; Shane Jackson; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Geoff Stephens
Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky!

Ok firstly all we are fully aware some people like the dectalk ppphonix
speech and others like eloquence.

Due to scansoft owning the eloquence speech and code factory having to
license it from them, it's not going to happen anytime soon if at all.

I'll let a code factory staff member answer this one but from what I was told there will be no more eloquence running on code factory products for
new users.

Secondly lets stop the constant bitching and wining concerning dectalk and eloquence speech. Nothing any of us say will change anything so just live
with it folks.
If you really want eloquence speech then look at another compeditors product

you all know the 2 compeditors i'm referring too.


----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tanner" <david-tanner@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "MusiqMan" <eforce4000@xxxxxxxxx>; "Marquette, Ed"
<emarquette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Vincent Mistretta" <vin5451@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
"Victor Tsaran" <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>; "Deanne Fernandez"
<dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Shane Jackson" <jack728@xxxxxxxxx>;
<msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Geoff Stephens" <geoffslists@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky!


Sorry, I'll take Phoenix Dectalk any day before Eloquence, which is
slower, more likely to crash, and really boaring compaired to Phoenix
Dectalk.



----- Original Message ----- From: "MusiqMan" <eforce4000@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Marquette, Ed" <emarquette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Vincent Mistretta"
<vin5451@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Victor Tsaran" <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>; "Deanne
Fernandez" <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Shane Jackson" <jack728@xxxxxxxxx>;
<msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Geoff Stephens" <geoffslists@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky!


: Yes I am young (28) years old but know very well what your referring to
when
: you talk about echo for the apple 2e and GS series. But I would have to : admit eloquence has been available now for quite some time and once you
get
: use to a better clearer voice you find it kind of difficult to go back. : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Marquette, Ed" <emarquette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: To: "Vincent Mistretta" <vin5451@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Victor Tsaran"
: <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>; "Deanne Fernandez" <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Shane
: Jackson" <jack728@xxxxxxxxx>; <msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Geoff
Stephens"
: <geoffslists@xxxxxxxxx>
: Cc: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
: Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 10:04 AM
: Subject: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Picky Picky!
:
:
: >
: > Hello all:
: > Was following the thread about the Fonix voices. This is clearly a
: > generational thing.
: > I'm sure most of you are way too young to remember the Echo (for the
: > Apple II) or the Echo-PC (for the 8088 version of the IBM PC).
: > These, of course, came from the early 80's, and sounded like a robot
in
: > an early 50's science fiction movie with a tracheotomy.
: > So, when you get used to that, Fonix sounds like heavenly music.
: > <SMILE>
: > Just thought I'd add perspective.
: >
: >
: > -----Original Message-----
: > From: msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: > [mailto:msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vincent
: > Mistretta
: > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 6:15 AM
: > To: 'Victor Tsaran'; 'Deanne Fernandez'; 'Shane Jackson';
: > msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Geoff Stephens'
: > Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: > Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.
: >
: > Just to make a lighter note to this discussion...
: >
: > Has anyone using the Fonix version for US noticed a hint of a Spanish : > accent to the male voices? I've only tried a couple, but noticed each : > had a very slight accent not noticed on any other Fonix implementation

I
: > have used prior.
: >
: >
: > Vince Mistretta
: > Speak to me on SKYPE ->
: > Skype Name: vin5451
: > Get Skype at
: > http://www.skype.com
: >
: > Call me at:
: > Cellular: (561)267-7938
: >
: >
: > -----Original Message-----
: > From: msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: > [mailto:msp_mailing-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Victor Tsaran
: > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:32 AM
: > To: Deanne Fernandez; 'Shane Jackson'; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
Geoff
: > Stephens
: > Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: > Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.
: >
: > Funny that you say that... I am just trying a 30-day license of
: > Mobilespeak on my Nokia N95, since it's the only player in town, and
: > find that all those Akoppelas do not compare to Eloquence.
: > First of all, they are slower, in my opinion, and second, they
exagerate
: > speech to much, thus making it difficult to operate the phone.
: > I wonder why Code Factory decided to abandon Eloquence TTS.
: > Regards,
: > Vic
: >
: > --- Deanne Fernandez <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
: >
: >> I agree that Eloquence is much easier to understand than the voices : >> offered for MSP or MSS. I am currently using Loquendo Dave for US : >> English. I'm still trying to learn how to put more than one voice on
: >> my phone without paying for more than one license.  I, too, can't
: >> understand certain words, even after reviewing them several times. I
: >> haven't yet figured out how to spell words on my motorola Q.  I
: >> wouldn't mind a slightly slow response time with Eloquence if I could
: >> understand the speech better.  Sometimes, even when I know what
: >> Loquendo Dave is saying, the word still doesn't sound llike an actual
: >> word.
: >> Deanne
: >> ----- Original Message ----- : >> From: Geoff Stephens
: >>   To: 'Shane Jackson' ; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>   Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: >>   Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:18 PM
: >> Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.
: >>
: >>
: >> I have been showing my 8525 to various blind people since I'm a new : >> MSP user and am anxious to let people know how usable and intuitive
: >> Code Factory has made these devices.
: >> Veteran synthesized speech users as well as newbies agree that the : >> speech makes MSP a less than appealing solution. In fact, many seem
: >> to become completely disinterested in all the rest of the
: >> demonstration after they hear the Fonix speech.  It seems that
: >> everybody wants Eloquence. I truly believe Code Factory could sell
: >> significantly more copies of MSP if Eloquence was available.
: >>
: >> I have tried to condition myself to Fonix but I have to admit that : >> it is still difficult for me after a month and a half of use. I'm
not
: >
: >> very productive with it. I will live with it because I have to do
so.
: >> I generally use arate of 19.
: >> I frequently have to go back and review words I did not understand.
: >> I use eloquence at a much faster rate (75 percent of maximum with
JAWS
: >
: >> for example) and do not have any problem reading at that rate.
: >>
: >>   I have seen arguments on this list about the responsiveness of
: >> Fonix. I support those who contend that it is not very responsive. : >> It is difficult to provide support for that argument since there are : >> many factors to consider including the device and the screen reader. : >> How are we to know how responsive Eloquence would be with MSP if we
: >> haven't used it?
: >> I don't know how to qualify it except to say I suspect it would be
: >> bettter.
: >>
: >> I didn't listen to the entire podcast but skimmed through it and : >> wanted to let you know that the keys above the QWERTY keyboard are
the
: >
: >> left and right soft keys in case you want to use them in the future. : >> I was forced to do so a couple of weeks ago when the front keyboard
: >> on my 8525 stopped working.
: >> I have since received a replacement and it is working fine. I have
: >> continued the habit of using the soft keys on the QWERTY keyboard
when
: >
: >> it is open. For a long time I did not realize that those keys were : >> actually keys. I thought they were part of the communication that
: >> must occur to let the device know when the keyboard is opened and
: >> closed. They are a little awkward to press at first but they work
: >> very well.
: >>
: >>
: >>
:
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