Re: WINDOWS OR MAC? APPLE SAYS BOTH

  • From: Steve Holmes <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:44:06 -0700

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Here's a way to make this thread relevant to this list:).

I wonder how well Garage Band works with Voice Over? Garage Band can be
used to produce podcasts now if you have the I Life 06:).

There, now this is on topic for this list:).

On Mon, Apr 10, 2006 at 01:47:16PM -0400, Darcy Burnard wrote:
> Hi.  Believe it or not, I actually agree with you guys to a point.  While 
> I wouldn't say this thread has devolved in to a pissing contest, it has 
> gotten rather tiresome.  Not only that, but I don't think it had any 
> business being on the list in the first place.  What exactly does the mac 
> or boot camp have to do with podcasting anyway?
> However, since the thread has started, I do have some thoughts.
> As some of you know, I really want a Mac, and with luck, I'll have one by 
> mid July.  I've been lurking on the mac visionaries list for nearly a year 
> now.  A couple of months back, I did get the opportunity to play with a 
> Mac for about an hour.  With all that, I probably could have defended 
> voice over on this thread, but I really didn't feel qualified to do that.
> I'm not sure I would agree with the style of Gaib's messages, but I can 
> certainly understand why he said what he said.  Ever since the 
> introduction of voice over, the blindness lists have been flooded with 
> people saying it isn't any good.  Many of these people are basing that 
> assertion on second or third hand information.  Still others dismiss 
> voiceover because it's nothing like any screen reader they're used to. 
> Different does not always equal bad.  When  you're constantly told by 
> people with no first hand experience that a program you really like has 
> limitations, it's only natural to come out with guns blazing.  I would 
> probably have a similar reaction if the topic was about window-eyes or 
> speakup.  By the way, when I say first hand experience, I mean someone who 
> has had a Mac for several months, and depends on it for their daily 
> computing tasks.  Playing with a product for an hour as I did, or seeing 
> it for  a few minutes at a trade show, really doesn't give you a full 
> sense of its capabilities.
> Finally, I want to say that I don't know for sure if voice over will meet 
> my needs.  It may not, who knows.  For me it's worth the wrisk, but it may 
> not be for everyone, which is cool.  To each his own.
> Okay, this message ended up a little longer then I'd planned.  Hopefully 
> it doesn't start the debate up again, because that wasn't my intent. 
> Especially since as I said at the top, it really has nothing to do  with 
> podcasting.
> Darcy
> 
> 
> On Sun, 9 Apr 2006, Chris Skarstad wrote:
> 
> >This is becoming a pissing contest.
> >
> >At 04:16 AM 4/9/2006, you wrote:
> >>really, do you know this to be a fact? what about programs written in
> >>carbon?
> >>BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net
> >>blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>website: http://blindtechs.net
> >>Visit our website where we offer free email, shell accounts,
> >>shoutcast radio service, online games and more!
> >>Powered by Unix not Microsoft
> >>
> >>
> >>On Apr 8, 2006, at 7:22 PM, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi Gabe,
> >>>
> >>>Even if an app isn't technically supported by a Windows screen
> >>>reader like JAWS or Window-Eyes, there may still be a chance that
> >>>it might work well enough.  You don't get that option with
> >>>VoiceOver.  If the app isn't written in Apple's Coco programming
> >>>language, there's no OSM and you're totally out of luck.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> >>>Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> >>>A+, CSSA, Network+!
> >>>Visit http://www.petitiononline.com/captcha and sign the Google
> >>>Word Verification Accessibility Petition today!
> >>>Information should be accessible to us without need of translation
> >>>by another person.
> >>>Blind Access Journal blog and podcast: http:// www.blindaccessjournal.com
> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net"
> >>><blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 1:12 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: WINDOWS OR MAC? APPLE SAYS BOTH
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>ok lets look at this in a different angle.
> >>>>
> >>>>compared to the billions of windows apps out there, how many are
> >>>>actually supported by jaws?
> >>>>BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net
> >>>>blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>website: http://blindtechs.net
> >>>>Visit our website where we offer free email, shell accounts,
> >>>>shoutcast radio service, online games and more!
> >>>>Powered by Unix not Microsoft
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On Apr 8, 2006, at 9:08 AM, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hi Gabe,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Nobody is saying any such thing.  Some of us are just concerned
> >>>>>that Apple really doesn't care very much about VoiceOver, other
> >>>>>than for the purpose of retaining its education business.  You
> >>>>>have  to admit that the application support here is very weak.
> >>>>>What is  the point if the screen reader doesn't work with many apps?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> >>>>>Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> >>>>>A+, CSSA, Network+!
> >>>>>Visit http://www.petitiononline.com/captcha and sign the Google
> >>>>>Word Verification Accessibility Petition today!
> >>>>>Information should be accessible to us without need of
> >>>>>translation  by another person.
> >>>>>Blind Access Journal blog and podcast: http://
> >>>>>www.blindaccessjournal.com
> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net"
> >>>>><blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 1:54 AM
> >>>>>Subject: Re: WINDOWS OR MAC? APPLE SAYS BOTH
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>wow, thats just like saying, "Hey you blind mac users, you all
> >>>>>>are  a bunch of idiots and you're really not using a real full
> >>>>>>functioning screen reader."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>kind of rude, you think?
> >>>>>>BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net
> >>>>>>blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>website: http://blindtechs.net
> >>>>>>Visit our website where we offer free email, shell accounts,
> >>>>>>shoutcast radio service, online games and more!
> >>>>>>Powered by Unix not Microsoft
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>On Apr 7, 2006, at 7:50 AM, Allison Mervis wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I'd love Apple to seriously works on developments towards
> >>>>>>>making Voiceover a full functioning integrated screen reader so
> >>>>>>>that I   could just buy a Mac.
> >>>>>>>Allison
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Claypool"
> >>>>>>><bellevue.bat@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:37 PM
> >>>>>>>Subject: Re: WINDOWS OR MAC? APPLE SAYS BOTH
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I've been away for 3 or so days, and I'm already out of the loop.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I'd love to see a way where one could run the mac os and just
> >>>>>>>>load windows apps as needed.  Now that'd be shweet.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Rick
> >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Shelly"
> >>>>>>>><shellyspodcasts@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 10:14 PM
> >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: WINDOWS OR MAC? APPLE SAYS BOTH
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Apple's Boot Camp was released this week. The early reviews of
> >>>>>>>>Windows XP
> >>>>>>>>stability, as well as driver support have been good, but it's
> >>>>>>>>too early to
> >>>>>>>>draw conclusions. It's worth pointing out that this is an
> >>>>>>>>Apple produced and
> >>>>>>>>sanctioned approach, not a hack. I can't  attest to the
> >>>>>>>>stability  of screen
> >>>>>>>>readers or other specific applications. But it is reasonable
> >>>>>>>>to expect a
> >>>>>>>>high degree of stability from this boot loader approachl,
> >>>>>>>>especially when
> >>>>>>>>the tool becomes available as part of the Leopard operating
> >>>>>>>>system.
> >>>>>>>>Releasing Boot Camp on its own at this time does a number of
> >>>>>>>>things for
> >>>>>>>>Apple: it allows them to get a lot of testing done by its
> >>>>>>>>customers for
> >>>>>>>>free, and it shows the company's commitment to multiple OSes
> >>>>>>>>on   the Mac
> >>>>>>>>hardware platform.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Much more to come on this, I'm sure.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>-shelly
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>On 4/6/06, Richard Claypool <bellevue.bat@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>You can get windows to run, but it's a bitch, and I'd guess
> >>>>>>>>>not stable
> >>>>>>>>>yet.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>It has to do with the fact that the new macs support a
> >>>>>>>>>different .. newwer
> >>>>>>>>>standard of booting that windows doesn't support as yet.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>There've been hacks to get windows running on the mac, but
> >>>>>>>>>I'd really be
> >>>>>>>>>scaired to try to get it running with a screenreader and
> >>>>>>>>>expect  any
> >>>>>>>>>stability.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Rick
> >>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>From: "Stephen Guerra" <stephen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>>To: <blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 2:45 PM
> >>>>>>>>>Subject: RE: WINDOWS OR MAC? APPLE SAYS BOTH
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Do not think so
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Stephen A. Guerra
> >>>>>>>>>> Assistive Technology Specialist
> >>>>>>>>>> Independent Living Aids
> >>>>>>>>>> 200 Robbins Lane
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> >>>>>>>>>>  Fax: (516) 937-3906
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:blindcasting-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> >>>>>>>>>Allison
> >>>>>>>>>Mervis
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 1:27 PM
> >>>>>>>>>> To: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: WINDOWS OR MAC? APPLE SAYS BOTH
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I assume that we could potentially load jaws on to the Mac and
> >>>>>>>>>use it
> >>>>>>>>>> with XP, and then play with voiceover every now and then.
> >>>>>>>>>Allison
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>--
> >>>>>>>>Shelly Brisbin, Writer, Editor, Geek for Hire
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Shelly's Podcast: http://shellyspodcast.com
> >>>>>>>>Hollywood On The Radio: http://hollywood.libsyn.com
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> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
> 
> 

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