Hello: I have been reading this thread with interest and am on one hand applauding Daryl for his commitment to accessibility and on the other hand concerned that if we as blind persons push accessibility down the throats of developers then we are only shooting ourselves in the foot. I have not read any of the statements by cc chapman or Adam but wonder why when PMN was created why accessibility was not taken into consideration when Adam clearly has been impressed by blindcasters in the past. I also wonder because Ipodder and Juice have been made accessible to us. It is important to let pmn know that we as blind persons are concerned about equal access and want to work with them on making pmn accessible but also we should patition Adam and cc and the entire pod show team that if they are interested in making any future programs or application available that they might consider hiring a person with a background in programming for disabled persons. They might consider contracting with persons on an as needed basis to test any new or existing application to point out ways to make these systems accessible. Jeff I know you don't want any talk about this on this list but I feel that this topic was relevant when it was brought up but went off topic when all the hostility began. Clearly we as blind persons must insist that applications be made accessible because pod casting has become the Television for the blind. Barry Campbell email & MSN Messenger barry@xxxxxxxxxxxx AIM: aparrothead108 SKYPE: jazzlion For the Best in Beach, Island, Troprock, Gulf & Western and especially Jimmy Buffett music tune in The Musical Gumbo Show Wednesdays at 22 UTC, thats 5:00 PM Eastern http://interactive.acbradio.org and now on WQNA 88.3 FM Springfield, Illinois Mondays at 7 UTC, thats 2 AM Central http://www.wqna.org also checkout http://www.tropicaldreams.net for All things Parrot head. "What if the Hokey Pokey is really what its all about????"