[bksvol-discuss] Re: words split across pages

  • From: Elizabeth and Burton <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 08:34:46 -0400

I find it interesting that John Glass, in his role as laison between staff and volunteers, has apparently not posted anything regarding text and page boundaries. Does this mean P. speaks for staff in this decision? If you do, that is fine. I am puzzled and so am asking.

E.


At 03:04 AM 10/3/2006, you wrote:

Hello,

If memory serves, Bookshare has provided no guidance on this matter. There is, of course, the possibility that I am forgetting and you are correct. My point about citations still remains. And, for that reason, I would still not move sentences around. Broken words, I understand, sentences, no. Irrespective of my example actually appearing at the beginning of the book­I only gave it because I recalled the sentence­my point still stands. Elizabeth, can you cite the specific Bookshare ruling on this?

Thanks.

Pratik




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Cindy is giving one of a series of examples I can use to illustrate my
point.  The point is particularly relevant when dealing with footnotes at
the bottom of pages.  I have kept all the files in which I have made such
changes, yes kept all of them.  I can go back and cite examples.  Thanks so
much for official feedback P. and others.

E.
At 02:13 AM 10/3/2006, you wrote:

>Smile. Pratik, I think you gave a poor
>example--smile. What people seem to be saying, and I
>didn't think was allowed, was ending the page with a
>complete sentence rather than allowing it to be broken
>and continue on the next page.
>
>As it happens, you quote what, if I remember
>correctly, is the first sentence in the novel. But
>what it it came toward the end of the page, and the
>page ended with
>
>"it was the age of'
>
>and the next page began, "of foolishness."
>
>That rather spoils the rhythm. smile
>
>Grandma Cindy
>
>--- Pratik Patel <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Consider breaking up the following sentence:
> >
> > It was the best of times, it was the worst of times,
> > it was the age of
> > wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the
> > epoch of belief, it was
> > the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of
> > Light, it was the season of
> > Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the
> > winter of despair, we had
> > everything before us, we had nothing before us, we
> > were all going direct to
> > Heaven, we were all going direct the other way-in
> > short, the period was so
> > far like the present period, that some of its
> > noisiest authorities insisted
> > on its being received, for good or for evil, in the
> > superlative degree of
> > comparison only.
> >
> >
> > Many of Dickens' finest works contain such examples
> > of huge sentences. You
> > would grossly change the structure of books should
> > you decide to make
> > changes to sentences. Plus, you also need to
> > ocnsider those individuals who
> > may use our books for citation purposes. If a
> > sentence is altered the page
> > citation may become something other than what it
> > might have been prior to
> > the change.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [<mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Pratik Patel
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 12:22 AM
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: words split across
> > pages
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > We should not engage in changing sentences to fit on
> > one page or another
> > even if the sentence happens to be broken up by a
> > foot note. Hyphinated
> > words are quite understandable.
> >
> > Pratik
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [<mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Silvara
> > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 7:35 PM
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: words split across
> > pages
> >
> > Hi Rick:
> >
> > Nothing wrong with spell checking in Word. That's
> > what I used to do before
> > K1000.
> >
> > Keep up the good work.
> >
> > ***
> > Grace
> >
> > For scanning and validating tips
> > check out
> > <http://www.jbrownell.com/bks/tl.asp>http://www.jbrownell.com/bks/tl.asp
> >
> > For ideas of books to scan check out:
> > the No Book Left Behind AKA
> > Reject list
> > <http://www.jbrownell.com/bks/reject.asp>http://www.jbrownell.com/bks/reject.asp
> > Rescan List
> > <http://www.jbrownell.com/bks/rescan.asp>http://www.jbrownell.com/bks/rescan.asp
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rik James" <d28rik@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 2:35 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: words split across
> > pages
> >
> >
> > >> I personally would be happy if I can convince
> > those who scan to spell
> > > check. (wistful smile) How about getting them to
> > run rank spelling? (hope
> > > hope)
> > >
> > > If I can see a way to come up with six hundred
> > smackers, and upgrade to
> > > K-1000, I would be happy to run rank spelling.
> > But for now, it is just a
> > > fig tree of my imagination, and a hope. But I do
> > now do a spell check
> > > with
> > > my Word program before submitting a book. Heck,
> > why not.
> > >
> > > Rik
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [<mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Elizabeth and
> > > Burton
> > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 9:57 AM
> > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: words split across
> > pages
> > >
> > > I personally would be happy if I can convince
> > those who scan to spell
> > > check. (wistful smile) How about getting them to
> > run rank spelling? (hope
> > > hope)
> > >
> > > E.
> > > At 12:52 PM 10/2/2006, you wrote:
> > >
> > >>Thanks for mentioning this, E.
> > >>
> > >>I think it really does make a big difference not
> > to have the sentences
> > >>interrupted by the headers and page numbers. I
> > too have been adjusting to
> > >>see that the ends of pages end in complete
> > sentences. I figure if I have
> > > to
> > >>look for the hyphenated words at the end of pages,
> > I may as well make the
> > >>page end with a complete sentence. And as you
> > say, this is ESPECIALLY
> > >>important when there are footnotes at the bottom
> > of the page. A reader
> > >>can
> > >>really get lost when the text of the page gets
> > interrupted by a bunch of
> > >>sentences in footnotes.
> > >>
> > >>Although this is something we can do when
> > validating, it would make me
> > > happy
> > >>as a clam if the person who scanned the book and
> > submitted it took the
> > >>time
> > >>and care to do this.
> > >>
> > >>I am beginning to feel that scanning in batch mode
> > creates a heck of a lot
> > >>more work down the road than just doing the scan a
> > page at a time, or 2 at
> > > a
> > >>time in 2 page mode with most books. And to at
> > least spot check each
> > >>paragraph of each page. Then if the scan is bad,
> > you can just delete the
> > >>page right then and there and do a re-scan. Happy
> > as a clam all over
> > > again.
> > >>Time for a clam bake. Put on your Elvis Presley
> > record, and pull out that
> > >>old 1960's Elvis movie Clambake, . (smile) But
> > who the heck really
> > >>knows
> > >>how happy a clam is anyway? (That could be a
> > topic for Andy Rooney, huh?
> > >>
> > >>Rik
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>[<mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>mailto:bksvol-discuss-b ounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Elizabeth and
> > >>Burton
> > >>Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 6:36 AM
> > >>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: words split across
> > pages
> > >>
> > >>As a validator, I move words and sentence
> > fragments so that sentences end
> > >>on one page or begin on another. This is taking
> > some liberty with the
> > >>positioning of text though not with the text
> > itself. I do this to make
> > >>reading go more smoothly for both braille users
> > and voice users. I find
> > >>it
> > >>particularly necessary to do this in cases where
> > footnotes at the bottom
> > >>of
> > >>pages break up the flow.
> > >>
> > >>Hope this helps.
> > >>
> > >>E.
> > >>
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