Katie, I agree. This is near the top of my wish list for small effort/large impact changes. If it were up to me, though, I'd choose first to automate Marissa's List and have links for Books Out For Validation and Books Awaiting Admin Approval available next to the Step 1 Download and Step 2 Upload links on Bookshare's website. I'd estimate the effort at 1 or two days at most with the best case at half a day since they already know how to generate the information. It has less risk too, since the testing's simpler and even if someone managed to goof it, it wouldn't be like sending out messages to the wrong addresses or getting back a bunch of undeliverable messages to the Bookshare system. The only penalty would be the e-mail messages to Support saying they screwed it up. I think this change would also have a larger impact on the volunteering community. There are some other changes that fall into the small effort/large impact category which could possibly end up being chosen first by Bookshare when funds become available, but this one is still near the top of my wish list, if not second. I have no idea where either falls on Bookshare's priority list, however. Gerald -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Kaitlyn Hill Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:52 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: validation notification HI Gerald, It does take some testing before a new feature is released. I know at the university even with good testing we have seen changes rolled out and then rolled back because of unexpected bugs. I do think that with the way the system has expanded this would be a helpful feature along with better search capabilities. We are going to be pushing 30,000 books and I don't know how many volunteers working to build the collection. A better feedback loop could smooth things out. Katie Hill Reconnection and Reiki energy healing Get your personal numerology reading Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx AIM: SStarAngel@xxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:22 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: validation notification Interesting, Gerald. Thanks for the explanation. Cindy --- Gerald Hovas <geraldhovas@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Jill, > > Informing the validator when a book is accepted or > rejected is not > difficult, but it's not a trivial change either. > Even small Engineering > efforts cost money and have to be accounted for in > the budget due to the > fact that even simple changes need proper testing > then operations must > update the Bookshare system to include those > changes. > > I would also expect there to have to be a second > message created > specifically for the validator rather than just > copying the validator on the > message to the submitter since not every volunteer > would want their name and > e-mail address to be made available to the other > volunteer. > > My background is in a different area of Software > Engineering, but I would > guess that this change would take somewhere from 2 > to 5 days to implement, > test, and release depending on whether or not there > is still someone there > who is familiar with the code which is causing the > messages to be sent out > in the first place, and nothing unforseen takes > place during testing and > release. I know my estimate probably seems far > excessive to many of you, > but it's never trivial when updating a working > system which needs to remain > up and running 24/7. The reason I would expect for > the minimum time to make > the change to be 2 days, is that I would personally > not trust releasing a > change which had been tested for less than a couple > of days. I would also > consider having the second message first sent to a > fixed e-mail address at > Bookshare and have the new message contain the > validator's e-mail address > appended to the subject in order to verify that the > system is pulling up the > correct destination address for the message and not > sending it to the wrong > address before fully releasing the change. > > I can reassure the list that Janice and Gustavo are > aware that volunteers > would like this change because I have discussed it > with them, and I believe > they have even gone as far as to look into what it > would cost to implement > it. The problem has been the lack of funding and > choosing which changes to > pay for first when more funding for Engineering > changes becomes available. > As you can probably guess, there are many changes on > Bookshare's list of > changes they need/want to make, and there is only so > much money to allocate > for Engineering changes due to Bookshare being a > nonprofit organization. > It's my impression, too, that Bookshare doesn't have > its own dedicated > Engineering team, but shares one with all of > Benetech's projects. If this > is the case, then Bookshare must compete with other > projects for > Engineering's time and resources, as well as come up > with the funds to make > the changes to their system. > > HTH > > Gerald > > -----Original Message----- > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On > Behalf Of Jill O'Connell > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:17 PM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] validation notification > > > For those of you who are really computer savvy, how > difficult would it be > for a copy of the approval notice sent to the person > who scanned a book to > be sent to the validator as well? From previous > posts on this list, I think > we would all appreciate having this information. In > the meantime I will let > Jim know that I have validated Pay It Forward. I > have submitted Ya-Yas in > Bloom and would appreciate knowing when it has been > uploaded if one of you > on the list take it. 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