[bksvol-discuss] Re: the adult content issue and check boxes

I think your salient point is the one about who is deciding it to be porn. Someone here mentioned Playboy earlier as an example of porn. Almost nobody I know would consider Playboy to be porn and they would consider it to be very mild. It is pretty clear that whether something is porn or not is another one of those things that is a matter of opinion. I suppose that means that you are free to decide that anything is porn that you want to. The problem is that most people who are concerned with identifying porn are insistent that whatever they consider to be porn not be allowed for anyone. How about self identified porn? When I was in junior high school I read three books that identified themselves as literary porn. The first one was a bit titillating. The second one was more boring. The third was very boring. The one thing they had in common was that they were incredibly poorly written. I never bothered to read another one, even when I was working in a porn bookstore with them all around me. I have never been a romance fan, but in later years I did read a few. They did contain scenes that were comparable to the self identified porn, just not as many. There was more of a story and as poorly written as they were they were better written than the self identified porn. I mentioned a book on Bookshare earlier called "When Wizards Rule." I downloaded it expecting just a regular fantasy. It turned out that there was so much in the way of explicit descriptions of sex that it was difficult to follow the story. In fact, I am not sure there was even much of a story there. I think that might have been on par with the self identified porn, but I am not sure it identified itself that way. If it had been on sale in that bookstore I used to work in I suppose that would have settled it. It does seem that the distinction between porn and non porn is becoming more and more vague. I will also say that the more erotic or pornographic a novel is the less interested I am in it because that means that there is less substance to it. It tends to be just frivolous. But ultimately I also don't think it really matters whether something is porn or not. If you start to read a book and don't like it for whatever reason then you can just quit. If you do like it for whatever reason then that is fine. Just don't appoint yourself the morality police and decide that if you don't like it that you can't allow anyone else or anyone else in a certain category to read it either.



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----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammy Blaker" <wyomiia@xxxxxxxxx>
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There is another issue that is over looked.  Men and women have different
kinds of porn.  Most women will say they have never looked at porn...which
may be true. But most romance books now in days are very verbal porn. Men
prefer plain photo type porn.  Women want emotional issues with their
"lovemaking". Also soaps are getting more and more close to porn too.

I have a problem with who will be judging what is porn too. There are parts
of the King James Bible that are very verbal porn.

When it comes to kids I think parents are the ones who bring it into the
home be it men or women's kind of porn.  I have no kids.  I saw a little
photo porn as a child and had no interest in it then or now.  I do love
romance books, but I don't fool myself into think it doesn't have porn
parts.

There are a lot of books on everything from UFOs to god knows what.  The
fact that lots of people make lots of money writing books would not make me
believe in or against anything.

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I don't know anyone with that addiction either and I know a lot of adults
who, as children, including myself, saw porn a lot more hardcore than
Playboy. I think so-called studies like this come under the heading of
pseudo-science. It is similar to the reports of playing classical music to
plants which then thrived and Jazz to plants that then died. Then a few
years later someone else plays Jazz to his plants and they thrive while the
ones which had rock played to them died. I am waiting for the announcement
of the experiment in which Rock was played to some plants while Hip Hop was played to others. If the experiments are conducted at all, rather than just
reported, the results seem to coincide with the musical tastes of the
experimentor, or more accurately, the person who reports it. There was
another report of someone who prayed for one group of plants and cursed
another group. Considering that the person in question was a priest I
suppose you can guess how that one turned out. You can also see similar
reports about the dire psychological consequences to women who have
abortions, reported only by abortion opponents. What it comes down to is
that certain people either make up or, at the very least, exaggerate effects
to bolster their prejudices. I think we need an off-line Snopes to track
these rumors.


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Hi Jamie and everyone!

I have heard programs on porn addiction, and they say that kids who see
playboy or other explicitly sexual content as children often become
addicted to porn as adults, and these are from many walks of life
including pastors.  This addiction can wreck a marriage.  This addiction
is a real stronghold, as the programs have said, and so it's a hard
addiction to break.  I think that responsibile adults should look after
children in their care in this way as well as from other dangers.

I do not know anyone with this addiction.

Debby

At 10:49 PM 3/29/2010, Jamie Yates, CPhT wrote
Laws are what they are, Roger. They're there for a reason, just like it's
against the law to cell cigarettes to those under 18 and alcohol to those
under 18 or 21 depending upon the state. I wouldn't advocate allowing 16
year olds to buy alcohol any more than I would advocate allowing children
under 18 access to the four books I listed as examples of true adult
books. While their parents are still legally liable for their actions,
they can't be allowed to purchase alcohol (and potentially harm another
person maybe driving while drunk) and I'm sure there are valid reasons for

not allowing true adult content for minors as well.

I don't think you'd be very successful in repealing those kinds of laws.

My point was simply to give true examples of ADULT books, not the books
that are currently getting marked as adult.

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