I think your salient point is the one about who is deciding it to be porn. Someone here mentioned Playboy earlier as an example of porn. Almost nobody I know would consider Playboy to be porn and they would consider it to be very mild. It is pretty clear that whether something is porn or not is another one of those things that is a matter of opinion. I suppose that means that you are free to decide that anything is porn that you want to. The problem is that most people who are concerned with identifying porn are insistent that whatever they consider to be porn not be allowed for anyone. How about self identified porn? When I was in junior high school I read three books that identified themselves as literary porn. The first one was a bit titillating. The second one was more boring. The third was very boring. The one thing they had in common was that they were incredibly poorly written. I never bothered to read another one, even when I was working in a porn bookstore with them all around me. I have never been a romance fan, but in later years I did read a few. They did contain scenes that were comparable to the self identified porn, just not as many. There was more of a story and as poorly written as they were they were better written than the self identified porn. I mentioned a book on Bookshare earlier called "When Wizards Rule." I downloaded it expecting just a regular fantasy. It turned out that there was so much in the way of explicit descriptions of sex that it was difficult to follow the story. In fact, I am not sure there was even much of a story there. I think that might have been on par with the self identified porn, but I am not sure it identified itself that way. If it had been on sale in that bookstore I used to work in I suppose that would have settled it. It does seem that the distinction between porn and non porn is becoming more and more vague. I will also say that the more erotic or pornographic a novel is the less interested I am in it because that means that there is less substance to it. It tends to be just frivolous. But ultimately I also don't think it really matters whether something is porn or not. If you start to read a book and don't like it for whatever reason then you can just quit. If you do like it for whatever reason then that is fine. Just don't appoint yourself the morality police and decide that if you don't like it that you can't allow anyone else or anyone else in a certain category to read it either.
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There is another issue that is over looked. Men and women have different kinds of porn. Most women will say they have never looked at porn...whichmay be true. But most romance books now in days are very verbal porn. Menprefer plain photo type porn. Women want emotional issues with their "lovemaking". Also soaps are getting more and more close to porn too.I have a problem with who will be judging what is porn too. There are partsof the King James Bible that are very verbal porn. When it comes to kids I think parents are the ones who bring it into the home be it men or women's kind of porn. I have no kids. I saw a little photo porn as a child and had no interest in it then or now. I do love romance books, but I don't fool myself into think it doesn't have porn parts. There are a lot of books on everything from UFOs to god knows what. Thefact that lots of people make lots of money writing books would not make mebelieve in or against anything. -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roger Loran BaileySent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 6:55 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: the adult content issue and check boxes I don't know anyone with that addiction either and I know a lot of adults who, as children, including myself, saw porn a lot more hardcore than Playboy. I think so-called studies like this come under the heading of pseudo-science. It is similar to the reports of playing classical music to plants which then thrived and Jazz to plants that then died. Then a fewyears later someone else plays Jazz to his plants and they thrive while theones which had rock played to them died. I am waiting for the announcementof the experiment in which Rock was played to some plants while Hip Hop was played to others. If the experiments are conducted at all, rather than justreported, the results seem to coincide with the musical tastes of the experimentor, or more accurately, the person who reports it. There was another report of someone who prayed for one group of plants and cursed another group. Considering that the person in question was a priest I suppose you can guess how that one turned out. You can also see similar reports about the dire psychological consequences to women who have abortions, reported only by abortion opponents. What it comes down to isthat certain people either make up or, at the very least, exaggerate effectsto bolster their prejudices. I think we need an off-line Snopes to track these rumors. _ _ _ "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god thanyou do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, youwill understand why I dismiss yours" Stephen Roberts The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com Pathfinder Press: http://www.pathfinderpress.com Granma International: http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debby Franson" <the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:34 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: the adult content issue and check boxesHi Jamie and everyone! I have heard programs on porn addiction, and they say that kids who see playboy or other explicitly sexual content as children often become addicted to porn as adults, and these are from many walks of life including pastors. This addiction can wreck a marriage. This addiction is a real stronghold, as the programs have said, and so it's a hard addiction to break. I think that responsibile adults should look after children in their care in this way as well as from other dangers. I do not know anyone with this addiction. Debby At 10:49 PM 3/29/2010, Jamie Yates, CPhT wroteLaws are what they are, Roger. They're there for a reason, just like it's against the law to cell cigarettes to those under 18 and alcohol to those under 18 or 21 depending upon the state. I wouldn't advocate allowing 16 year olds to buy alcohol any more than I would advocate allowing children under 18 access to the four books I listed as examples of true adult books. While their parents are still legally liable for their actions, they can't be allowed to purchase alcohol (and potentially harm anotherperson maybe driving while drunk) and I'm sure there are valid reasons fornot allowing true adult content for minors as well. I don't think you'd be very successful in repealing those kinds of laws. 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