I disagree that tables should be kept out of Bookshare books. I have seen some very useful tables, presenting information that is not presented in any other form in the book. I'm thinking of various gardening books, showing the proper planting and spacing of different vegetables. Or dogfood books, showing the varying nutritional elements of different ingredients. I do agree that they are a huge pain to make come out right. But sometimes they are the most useful, longterm, thing in a book. Tracy > I don't know what others might think, but I'd rather keep tables out of > books as much as possible. The only purpose I see for tables is to present > data in a tabular manner, such as calendars, charts etc. Even then, it > looks > like the bookshare tools destroys them anyway. > > Sometimes tables are used to make information stand out in a book. In > Braille and speech they don't stand out, they just look strange. > > Just my thoughts. > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:53 PM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: tables in Bookshare books plus another > question > > >> Jake, >> >> If tabs aren't retained, how can we create tables as >> tables? I'd love to know that. It would save a lot of >> time. >> >> G.Cindy >> >> >> Devorah, I do what Mayrie suggested--I translate the >> table into sentences, even to the point of repeating a >> heading if necessary. IF I can find some examples I'll >> send them to you offlist. >> >> G.Cindy >> --- Jake Brownell <jabrown@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> Hi Devorah, >>> >>> Tables done with spaces will be somewhat >>> "compressed" in that vertically nothing will align. >>> Tabs are stripped from the files completely because >>> DAISY as an XML standard doesn't understand a tab. >>> Tables created as actual tables are converted to >>> tables in DAISY. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Jake >>> >>> Jake Brownell >>> QA Engineer, Bookshare.org >>> jake.b@xxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Devorah Greenstein >>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:04 PM >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] tables in Bookshare >>> books plus another question >>> >>> >>> What is the protocol for tables? >>> I've got quite a few in the book I'm validating - >>> I'm using a library copy of the printed book because >>> the scanned version is all goofed up, as I would >>> expect. But what I'm doing is using tab stops and >>> recreating a table in tabular form. Will this work >>> for folks? If not, what should I be doing? >>> >>> >>> >>> She says, halfway through the book and hadn't >>> thought of asking before now! >>> >>> >>> >>> Also, I'm wondering what screen readers will do >>> with this quote from an 18th century midwife. Can >>> someone reassure me that it is decipherable? >>> >>> 17 F At ditoes & Mr Poores. Birth 47th a >>> daughter. At Capt Meloys allso >>> >>> Rainy. I was Calld from Mr Parkers at 2 hour morn >>> to Mr Poores. Doct Page was Calld before my arival. >>> I Extracted the Child, a dagt. He Chose to Close the >>> Loin. I returnd home at 8 hour morning. Receivd 6/ >>> as a reward. Mr Ballard & Ephm attend worship, Dolly >>> & Sally aftern. Charls and John Coks supt here. I >>> was calld to Capt meloys at 11 hour Evening. 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