[bksvol-discuss] Re: superscript and subscript

You do not need to make a footnote superscript if it appears next to a period. Just leave it alone Cindy honest.


We need to leave things the way they are printed with the exception of joining a word which straddles two pages. This has been discussed extensively before in terms of things appearing on the correct page. If a sentence ran across a page and the footnote appeared at the beginning and you put it at the end of the sentence it would be on the next page. Please please just leave the scan as scanned in this case. That way the scan matches the print. The number will appear just fine in braille right next to a period. Remember I was putting a space between period and number and about a year ago was told in no uncertain terms by Jake and Pratik etc. to absolutely stop doing that.

smile.
E.
At 09:50 PM 9/16/2007, you wrote:
I guess that's good to know, she said hesitantly. It
means that I won't have to lower the superscript
number, but on the other hand, where it is next to the
period on the same line, I'll have to make the
footnote number superscript. Lowering them all would
be easier than raising them one at a time. What's best
for Daisy readers?

I did write to Lisa to ask what we should do.

Cindy

--- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Good news for Braille readers.
>
> I have checked several superscripts with a validator
> who had a book with a
> lot of them in it, and they were in the rtf version
> of the submission. I was
> able to determine that the Braille translator does
> indeed handle
> superscripts at least. No word on subscripts. For
> footnotes, this is good
> news because the numbers will appear as they should
> for sighted readers, and
> will be translated correctly into Braille as well.
> So I don't think there is
> need to worry about the superscripts at least. I
> have no idea of any books
> with subscripts, but if anyone has any, let me know.
> Keep in mind that they
> have to not only be in the book, but they have to be
> in the rtf file that
> was sent to the Admin Queue, so we know for sure
> that they went to the
> Braille translator.
>
> Maybe it was true that the old Braille translator
> did not handle them
> correctly. I remember hearing that it did not when I
> first joined. But it
> appears that they are okay now.
>
> Evan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lori Castner" <loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 2:28 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: superscript and
> subscript
>
>
> > Evan,
> >
> > We will be interested to know what you find out
> about subscript and super
> > script.  We use Window Eyes as a speech program
> and I don't know if it
> > identifies those attributes.  Thus far, both Mike
> and I have been
> > validating in Open Book; does it recognize the
> attributes?  Ocasionally, I
> > hear a number after a word or sentence and know
> that it is a super script
> > footnote number; have deleted that number and
> entered the same number at
> > the end of the sentence.  However, we have not
> identified any words or
> > partial words in sub or super script; I doubt we
> have missed any in the
> > books we have validated; at least, we sure hope
> not!
> >
> > Cat Lover Lori
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 8:54 AM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: superscript and
> subscript
> >
> >
> >>I am looking into what the Braille translator does
> with them directly. The
> >>one instance I found in a book I submitted came
> out rather strangely,
> >>although it is still recognizable as a
> superscript. For Braille readers,
> >>it says: and-sign sup-number sign 2, followed
> immediately by the number 20
> >>in Nemeth code. But someone with whom I often work
> says that she adds
> >>superscripts regularly for notes, so it looks as
> it does in the print
> >>book. We're going to try to look at some examples
> today if possible and
> >>see what they look like in the brf versions. I
> have been simply going on
> >>what I have read here, so I want to find out
> directly. That one example is
> >>not enough to go on.
> >>
> >> I'll report back today or tomorrow on what I have
> found.
> >>
> >> Evan
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 12:20 AM
> >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: superscript and
> subscript
> >>
> >>
> >>> Good idea!! I hope I remember it, because it's
> much
> >>> easier to do that then fix them one at a rime as
> I've
> >>> been doing. smile Thanks, Evan.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy
> >>>
> >>> P.S. I'll bet that will also work for raised and
> >>> lowered letters that I've been putting back to
> normal
> >>> one incident at a time.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Another thing I just thought of is that she
> could
> >>>> select the whole text and
> >>>> if any of the text is super- or subscripted, it
> will
> >>>> say so in the Font
> >>>> dialogue box in Word. Then she can just uncheck
> >>>> either or both of them and
> >>>> desuperscript and desubscript everything. They
> >>>> should be removed because the
> >>>> Braille translator does not handle them well,
> if at
> >>>> all. I forget what
> >>>> happens exactly, but they will definitely not
> appear
> >>>> as they should in the
> >>>> Braille version. I can't speak to the Daisy
> version.
> >>>>
> >>>> Evan
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 12:16 PM
> >>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: superscript and
> >>>> subscript
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > Monica,
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I'm curious as to how superscript reads in
> Jaws.
> >>>> In
> >>>> > the sentence in the page Terra sent me to
> look at,
> >>>> the
> >>>> > letters e a r in the word year were in
> subscript,
> >>>> > i.e., small and raised above the line, as
> >>>> footnotes
> >>>> > often are in books. People have written here
> that
> >>>> they
> >>>> > prefer to have footnote numbers written on
> the
> >>>> line
> >>>> > after the period in the sentence, and without
> >>>> > parentheses (all this detail for newbies) so
> I
> >>>> assume
> >>>> > that superscript numbers are read differently
> in
> >>>> Jaws
> >>>> > or braille or both. How would parts of a word
> >>>> read?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I will say, for Terra, she's persistent and
> >>>> > courageous. This is only her second
> validation
> >>>> effort,
> >>>> > and based on the page she sent me, there are
> lots
> >>>> of
> >>>> > different kinds of problems. She's going to
> learn
> >>>> a
> >>>> > lot from this one book. smile
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Cindy
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Cindy
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > --- Monica Willyard <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> Hi, Terra. Now that's a question I've never
> been
> >>>> >> asked. I don't have a
> >>>> >> clue, and I'm not sure it matters in the
> final
> >>>> >> product since a lot of
> >>>> >> extra formatting is stripped out. For
> example,
> >>>> all
> >>>> >> tabs are removed. I
> >>>> >> know they keep the bold text attribute, but
> I
> >>>> have
> >>>> >> no idea what they do
> >>>> >> with things like fonts or italics in text. I
> just
> >>>> >> proofread the document
> >>>> >> for accuracy and let the Bookshare tools
> sort out
> >>>> >> things like fonts
> >>>> >> unless the book is in a giant font that Jaws
> >>>> can't
> >>>> >> read. Then I select
> >>>> >> all text and adjust it to 16 point Times New
> >>>> Roman
> >>>> >> and keep moving. Jaws
> >>>> >> can't read text in a font size of somewhere
> >>>> around
> >>>> >> 32 or larger, so that
> >>>> >> forces me to adjust the font size. Other
> than
> >>>> that,
> >>>> >> I figure I have
> >>>> >> enough trouble proofreading the text without
> >>>> trying
> >>>> >> to sort out how the
> >>>> >> text appears on the screen. Maybe someone
> else
> >>>> here
> >>>> >> has a better idea of
> >>>> >> how to help you.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Monica Willyard
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>  Terra Syslo wrote:
> >>>> >> > Does anyone know how to tell in jaws with
> word
> >>>> if
> >>>> >> something is superscript
> >>>> >> > or subscript and how to take that out?
> Sorry
> >>>> for
> >>>> >> all the questions, I just
> >>>> >> > want to make sure I'm getting everything
> right
> >>>> >> with this book.
> >>>> >> >
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