[bksvol-discuss] Re: stripper and colatteral damage

  • From: "Hope Hein" <hmhein@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 05:23:03 -0400

I totally agree. The strippers are a problem.
Smile
Hope
----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlene" <caota@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 1:11 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: stripper and colatteral damage


Maybe we could put together a pteition of some sort and put a notice on
the volunteer website as well to see if we could get enough people to
sign it to send to bookshare requesting them to stop using the program.



-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pam Quinn
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:02 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: stripper and colatteral damage


We take pride in our submissions and I just don't think a lot of the
bookshare staff understands how angry and frustrated we are when we see
that our submissions have been mangled. And for what? I just don't get
it. Why do they insist on holding on to that useless program that nobody
wants? Seems to me if anything, dropping it would mean one less step and
less work in putting the books on the site.

I use chapter headings for my breaking points in .mp3 files too, when
I'm lucky enough to have them. 

It might not be our decision and they might not want to listen to us,
but that would be unfortunate, because the volunteers and subscribers
have a major role in determining the future of bookshare.

Pam

Original message:



I have seriously considered not submitting some books I have scanned just
because I thought they would be of little use after the stripper
finished
with them. I put a lot of work in to what I submit and it is really upsetting to see the final result when my original looked so nice, and
that
is only a volunteer's view. I also am upset by the messes that I come accross when I am reading, even for pleasure. I use the chapter
headings
as my MP3 creation breaking points, so if they aren't there I have a
big 
mess!

I don't really like throwing fits, and I won't on this list because it
seems to serve little purpose, but the fits are completely justified.

If i submitted a book in DAISY and BRF format instead of in RTF would the
normal automated processes be skipped? That is the only thing I can
think
of to rescue books where the headers, headings, and page numbers are invaluable.

Sarah Van Oosterwijck
Assistive Technology Trainer http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity
----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:10 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: stripper and colatteral damage




Hear, hear!  I agree 200%!

We have been telling the Bookshare staff about our concerns, politely

but firmly, literally for years. Despite all the talk, nothing has changed. I am beginning to think we need to take stronger action. We 

ARE volunteers.
We do not have to contribute the thousands of hours we put into this
program.  And Bookshare cannot survive without us.  Do we need to say
we
will have to stop scanning and validating until we know that someone
out
there is really listening to us, and taking action? It should not
have 
to
come down to threats and strikes, but many of us are at our wit's
end. 
What
is it going to take to turn off the stripper and stop mangling the
books 
we
work so hard to make available?

Debbie



----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui" <goldwave@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:16 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] stripper and colatteral damage


Good Afternoon:

At the bookshare users meeting at NFB, I made it very clear to Jim (like
he didn't know already) the issues with the stripper and why i think it should be removed.

The whole concept of the stripper bothers me, not just the fact it does
more than it's supposed too. 

Its very reason for being agrivates me.
Regular print books have headers, some have footers, that is part of

a
print book.
If we want digital copies of print books then, take the good with the
bad.
Do not sanitize the book to make it more access technology friendly.

The
very fact that is accessible already does that.
If i don't want to read the headers, i can strip them out myself or use
my
own automated tool to do so.
However, If by chance I do want them there, I simply do not get that
option with Bookshare!!! 

Words do not do justice to how much this issue ticks me off.

Bottomline, this process does not serve the community that it was
designed
to assist. 
-- Rui

>
> From: Mike Pietruk <pietruk@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 2005/07/21 Thu AM 11:00:39 EDT
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: stripper
>
> Pam
>
> agreed!  It's inconsistent and unpredictable.  And the problems
> relative
> to it have been discussed repeatedly.
> The Powers-that-be are all too aware of the damage the stripper
has
caused
> but seem to have shoved it on the back burner probably due to more

> pressing issues to deal with. It is a shame that it cannot be > dealt with; but Marissa, prior to her leaving, pretty much > outlined where it stands. So I wouldn't expect much change > regarding the stripper as any change would require some sort of > policy change plus programmer action. Conceptually, the stripper > makes sense; practically, it has been a
dismal
> failure breading as much (or perhaps even more) than it has > repaired. It's not our decision as we are volunteers, not > decision-makers.
>
>
>
>








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