[bksvol-discuss] Re: stories have powerful effects
- From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:35:10 -0500
Dear Everyone,
First, it's me, not Cindy who originally mentioned feeding dogs forbidden
treats.
Second, I don't feel that I, my pets, or the guide dog who was the most
miraculous pressence in my life, have to be poster persons or poster dogs for
perfect behavior or example setting. I don't think we need to legislate story
telling and this list should be a sheltered enough place to tell casual,
humorous or cautionary tales about dogs, cats kids or whatever. I do, however,
understand, for the first time why some lists don't allow threads about child
raising. It's because people feel so strongly about it that discussions about
it can quickly get heated out of proportion.
That's what's happened here. Many of us care so deeply about dogs, each in our
own way, that we react strongly to issues concerning them. The original intent
was to make light comments about real dogs in real life and not to smear any
particular group or breed of dog or owner.
I take responsibility for starting this dog strand, and will be more careful
about wandering off topic. I know none of us meant to ruffle any feathers or
fur, and we'll all be happy to get back to the fun of sharing books.
Always With Love,
Lissi
----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Morales
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Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:14 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: stories have powerful effects
Maybe, for us, it's more like sneering at the owners, but for a sighted
person who doesn't know blind people and doesn't know anything about guide
dogs...well, that leaves a bad image in their minds about the dogs. It is their
owners, a lot of times, for sure, but we know that. We're familiar with the
training of guide dogs, and we're familiar with how the handlers are supposed
to handle their dogs, but a sighted person may not be, and that's the scenario
that worries most of us. We hit enough brick walls on our own without having to
worry about a well-intentioned funny anecdote and what kind of effect that
might have on someone. Take care.
Julie Morales
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today. -- Unknown
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Petraccaro
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 7:05 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: stories have powerful effects
I think it's more a question of sneering at the owners.
----- Original Message -----
From: E.
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 6:34 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] stories have powerful effects
Cindy I assume you mean pass along the story of the guide dog who was so
disruptive because her person did not choose to control her. Pass it
along
if you must. I do notice that people tend to pass along stories of how
badly a dog, particularly a guide dog behaves with a lot of glee. I
think
it is one thing to pass along stories among ourselves. I do get
concerned
when sighted people gleefully pass along stories about how badly a guide
dog behaves, how poorly a guide dog is dealt with by his or her person
and
how a guide dog failed and did something wrong like run a light, run
their
person into something or whatever. Then sighted folks can use those
stories to be hesitant about renting to those of us with dogs, or letting
us into restaurants and so on. It may be illegal but all of us with dogs
have had issues of access at one time or another.
I know it is far from your intention to do this but be careful with
stoires. They can have powerful results many unintentional. I am sorry
if
this sounds harsh but I have had a number of instances when sighted
people
just had to come up to me and tell me about bad behavior or guide dogs or
their people.
I am therefore overly cautious about stories of incidents particularly
involving food.
By the way, I have been with Seeing Eye dogs for over thirty years and do
know those stoires from my own experience. But I would be careful
telling
them to restaurant owners or hotel operators or landlords, or cabbies,
bus
drivers and so forth. We still have barriers to access some of them
fueled
by lack of knowledge.
E.
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