[bksvol-discuss] Re: smart quotes
- From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:36:06 -0700
Sue:
I can't provide a precise keystroke cuz I don't know if you're using a
laptop, desktop, or hybrid layout. The sayCharacter is a jaws key,
usually numpad 5 on a desktop pc or jaws key+comma on a laptop. The
1st time it's pressed, it tells u what character your cursor is on;
the 2nd, it gives u a phonetic representation, e.g., if the character
is a, the phonetic representation is alpha--& the 3rd press gives u
the ascii representation of the character.
HTH.
On 5/29/08, E. <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Maria my being frustrated stems from smart quotes, the need to defeat
> the stripper, the lack of guidelines for validators, the lack of
> information for validating in the manual and most of all the
> thunderous silence of staff.
>
> I do careful work.
>
> I have validated over 700 books. I have no idea how most of them turn
> out after the braille translator and daisy converter get through with them.
>
> Most of the time, I do my best not to think about it too much, do my
> best and let the braille translator and daisy formater mangle my careful
> work.
>
> Once in a while I speak about my concerns.
>
> E.
>
>
> At 04:43 PM 5/29/2008, you wrote:
>>Hi E,
>>
>>I understand your point/frustration. While I've always been checking for
>>smart quotes, ever since I began scanning for Bookshare, because of a tip
>> on
>>Jake's site which suggested that they might cause issues in the final books
>>on the site, I, too, only learned that they were definitively an issue when
>>this discussion recently came up. For those who don't know, Jake's
>> Bookshare
>>site is at www.jbrownell.com/bks, then look under Volunteer Tips, and one
>> of
>>the tips there is called Removing Potential Problem Characters. Though it's
>>great that the information's available at Jake's site, I agree that a note
>>about this should be in the next update to the Volunteer Manual; if I
>> hadn't
>>known about Jake's site from this list, I wouldn't have known that I should
>>be checking for smart quotes either.
>>
>>Anyway, just to answer some of the below questions, to the best of my
>>knowledge. I can speak definitively to Kurzweil 1000, JAWS, and the
>> PACMate,
>>since I use those. For the BrailleNote, I speak from memory, and it's been
>>nearly three years since I've used one, so I'm not sure whether this still
>>applies, but someone who's a BN user can hopefully correct me. As Jim's
>>pointed out, when one performs the Say Current Character command three
>> times
>>in quick succession in JAWS (i.e., NUM PAD 5 in Desktop Layout or
>>JAWSKey+COMMA in Laptop Layout), JAWS will announce the values 8220 and
>> 8221
>>for smart quotes, while generic ones are both spoken as value 34; these
>>values also appear on a Braille display being used with JAWS, and the same
>>holds true for Pocket JAWS on the PACMate (the Say Current Character
>> command
>>is JAWSKey+COMMA on the QX and DOTS 3-6 CHORD or LeftArrow+RightArrow on
>> the
>>BX). When I'm editing a book on my PACMate, I simply go through a similar
>>Find procedure to what I do in Word on my PC, except that rather than
>>entering the characters as carets followed by their ASCII values, I
>> actually
>>insert the characters in to their appropriate edit fields using the ASCII
>>values of the smart quotes and by typing in the generic ones from the
>>keyboard. Incidentally, I've personally never experienced an issue with
>>Kurzweil 1000 v11.02 (or v10 and its patches, for that matter) where books
>>I've scanned have had smart quotes, but that's just been my experience. In
>>terms of K1000, speech will pronounce smart quotes as Open Quote and Closed
>>Quote, while generic quotes will simply be indicated as Quotation Mark;
>>interestingly enough, when K1000 is set to read all punctuation, smart
>>quotes won't be indicated when one passes dialog containing them, while
>> they
>>will be read if the quotes are generic quotes. I don't know how OpenBook
>>speaks them. In terms of getting rid of them, I do so as I do it on my
>>PACMate, and I would think that this would apply in OB as well, entering
>> the
>>smart quotes in to the Find edit field via their ASCII values (i.e., turn
>> on
>>num lock, then on a desktop, hold down ALT while typing 0147 or 0148 on the
>>num pad, or on a laptop, hold down FN+ALT while typing the same characters
>>using the embedded num pad) and just typing the generic quotes via the
>>keyboard in to the Replace edit field. Finally, when I used the
>> BrailleNote,
>>I seem to remember that Duxbury translated smart quotes differently from
>> the
>>way generic quotes were displayed; while generic quotes were displayed as
>>the usual dots 2-3-6 and 3-5-6 for opening/closing, I believe that the
>>opening smart quote was displayed as dots 1-6, dots 3-5, dots 3-5, and
>>perhaps, that dot sequence was reversed for the closing one, though I
>>believe it was the same, so that would be a way to differentiate them while
>>simply reading through the file. In terms of replacing them, I imagine that
>>there's a way to enter them by ASCII (147/148) or Unicode (8220/8221)
>> value,
>>and the BT command BACKSPACE+ENTER+DOTS 3-5 is coming to my mind to do
>> this,
>>though I'm not at all certain whether I'm remembering that correctly, and I
>>can't remember whether that command is available in the Find/Replace
>> dialog,
>>but I'm sure you'll know better than I at this point.
>>
>>HTH,
>>Maria
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>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of E.
>>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 2:25 PM
>>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: smart quotes
>>
>>And what about the people using k1000 Open Book
>>or braille displays such as braille note or
>>pacmate? How do we tell what is going on?
>>
>>I feel like we are now trying to outwit the daisy
>>converter as well as the braille translator and stripper.
>>
>>I join Tracy in total disgust.
>>
>>E.
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