I have the other two, not the Kadam. But if you really want to do them, smile, i just scan and do some basic prevalidate, before submiting, go for it. But I have the time and the four here. Shelley L. Rhodes and Judson, guiding golden juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. Graduate Advisory Council www.guidedogs.com The vision must be followed by the venture. It is not enough to stare up the steps - we must step up the stairs. -- Vance Havner