[bksvol-discuss] Re: resigning from the volunteer list
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:59:47 -0700 (PDT)
Well put, Jackie. I like thos descriptions of kinds of people.
Cindy
Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and books-being-scanned
list available at sites below
Wish List: https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Bookshare+Wish+List
Books Being Scanned List:
https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List
--- On Wed, 9/9/09, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: resigning from the volunteer list
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 12:30 PM
Perhaps I might add some perspective here.
I was reading in the advanced fiction writing ezine put out by Randy
Ingermanson. In it he talks about 4 personality types: feelers,
drivers, analyzers, & eletists.
Feelers are really concerned about peoples' feelings. Drivers are in a
get-it-done mode & tend not to be concerned w/feelings. In fact,
personal attack is just a part of the game. 2 drivers can argue back &
forth, calling names liberally in the process, & no harm done. An
analyzer is 1 who thinks about ideas, not feelings. Attacks,if done,
are based on the person's ideas & not personal in nature. Eletists are
just that--elete, & they're the types that tend to be the visionaries.
Communication problems tend to occur when different types try to
communicate w/each other.
From looking at e's posts, I rather think she's a driver. She could (&
probably should) learn to be less forthright. On the other hand, Gwen,
I think, probably is more of a feeler & therefore may be sensitive.
When the 2 styles clash, it gets, uh, well, bad.
I really think that if there's no swearing, personal attack, etc.,
involved, that no action against a person should be taken. I
personally own lists & that is my stance on those. I am sorry to see E
go, because, while I do not personally agree w/her presentation style,
I think volunteering at Bookshare was 1 of a very few things she had
in her life that really meant something to her. & she was really good
at it. I also think some folks just need to understand that people
communicate differently & also that they choose their own reactions to
another's posts. Some1 can choose to say, "I don't like this person,
ergo I won't read their posts." Others can choose to get upset &
leave. Ultimately, that is that particular person's choice. If there
were swearing, name-calling, or attack of a personal nature involved,
I would take a very different stance. But no1's gonna like every1. I'm
sure there are some folks on list who don't like me. That's their
choice. If they wanna leave because they don't, that's also their
choice. This is the internet--& the world--& there are all kinds of
people. 1 of the biggest assets folks can have is a thick skin to
successfully interact in both.
I hope this actually lends perspective rather than fuels controversy.
On 9/9/09, Amber Wallenstein <amber.wallens@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I have a question for you all to consider here. Please do not think I have
> gone half-cocked here, for I assure you this is not the case. I have spent
> hours thinking of the best way to put this and I put the question to the
> volunteer community as a whole.
> Let us say I'm a new volunteer. I am excited about joining Bookshare's
> volunteer team, but I don't really know what I'm doing. I decide to join
> the BKSVOL list to get some tips. I write in with a series of questions.
> Meanwhile, I am also seeing messages from others flying back and forth
> across my screen. I as a new volunteer may not know what it means, but I am
> smart enough to get the tone of the message. Some people seem very
> friendly, but there are those whose messages seem rude, to put it frankly..
> Then the answers to my questions start coming in. Some seem OK but then
> there are others, like E.'s messages that we all know about. As a new
> volunteer, maybe I now feel like I shouldn't write into this list anymore
> for advice. After all, if I get a snarky response to my first question,
> what will happen when I submit further queries?
> Let's face it folks. We were all newbie volunteers at one time or another.
> In fact, some of us still are. Why are people not being treated as they
> should be? Are we saying it's OK for rude and "brusque" and I put that in
> quotes behavior tolerated? Aren't all volunteers afforded the same right to
> be treated with courtesy and tolerance? Why is it that a few people can be
> rude and intolerant, scaring off dozens of volunteers over the years.. Why
> is that OK? Because they proof hard-to-proof books? Don't we as a
> community have more respect than that? No matter how hard one works, or
> what books they tackle, is that an excuse for rude and off-putting behavior?
> Aren't we as volunteers doing a huge disservice to those who have joined?
> Saying to a newbie, or heck, anyone, "Well you know what? Their messages
> are rude, or brusque, but don't worry, they have gotten better, and you
> should just ignore the behavior"... That's enabling. We as a volunteer
> community are enabling rude behavior. We have ignored the problem for
> years. Has it gotten better? No, it does not appear as it has gotten any
> better. The rude behavior is continuing, with no end in sight. and with the
> "ignore it and it will go away" attitude most people here seem to have, the
> behavior is being enabled. Now the behavior has been addressed and you are
> begging rudeness to return? Why?
> \ If this person were someone we worked with, and every time you came
> to their desk, if you got a "brusque" response, would you continue to come
> back? Probably not, at least I know I would not. I don't know why
> volunteering is any different. Volunteers are being driven away, and this is
> OK? I beg to differ. If we are adults, as so many on this list have said,
> why are we not acting like it, curbing out words, thinking about what we
> say, and treating others with COURTESY and respect?
> Amber
>
> Book blog:
> http://community.livejournal.com/book_cuddler/
> I have accepted a seat in the House of Representatives, and thereby have
> consented to my own ruin, to your ruin, and to the ruin of our children. I
> give
> you this warning that you may prepare your mind for your fate.
> John Adams
> E-Mail: amber.wallens@xxxxxxxxx
>
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