[bksvol-discuss] Re: reading 1776
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:12:24 -0700 (PDT)
Thanks, Gerald. That does clarify matters for me. Over
the months/years we seem to get so much conflicting
information I get confused.
Cindy
--- Gerald Hovas <geraldhovas@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Cindy,
>
> Yes, it really works. The page numbers aren't being
> stripped, but modified
> to allow the DAISY readers to recognize them. From
> what I understand, the
> problem is that not all DAISY file readers are being
> designed to easily show
> page numbers if a person wishes to see them.
>
> As for leaving a blank line between a header/footer
> and the main text, I've
> never left out the blank line between a
> header/footer and the main text for
> two reasons: I think it looks better with the blank
> line in there, and, more
> importantly, other volunteers have warned that
> leaving it out will cause
> problems with the Stripper recognizing the page
> number.
>
> As for whether or not to put a blank line between a
> header/footer and a page
> break, I haven't noticed that it makes a difference
> to the Stripper, and
> leaving the extra blank lines out appears to cause
> the Bookshare tools to
> append the page number to the front of the following
> paragraph when creating
> the HTML file that is unpacked from the BKS file.
>
> HTH
>
> Gerald
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> Behalf Of Cindy
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 6:50 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: reading 1776
>
>
> Thanks, Gerald, but does that really work? I know
> it's
> supposed to, but I thought page numbers were being
> eliminated along with the headers.
>
> Where there are no headers, should the pge numbers
> be
> on the top line? I thought there was supposed to be
> a
> line spcae between page break and page number and
> another betweenpage number and main test on page.
>
> Speaking of Daisy, Barb W. informed me that neither
> the Daisy nor the BRF versions of The Amazing Bone
> had the illustration descriptions. I've asked
> Gustavo
> what happened and what about the other Caldecott and
> other children's books I've done.
>
> Cindy
>
>
> --- Gerald Hovas <geraldhovas@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Cindy,
> >
> > The page number needs to be left on the same line
> as
> > the header. Otherwise,
> > the page number is no longer part of the same
> > paragraph as the header, and
> > the Stripper will not be able to do it's job
> > properly. Remember that the
> > Stripper's main job is to recognize page numbers
> and
> > substitute DAISY tags
> > to aid in navigation through the DAISY book.
> >
> > If you look back through the validation
> instructions
> > sent out when you
> > became a volunteer, or in your case Cindy,
> possibly
> > the validation
> > instructions that Janice sent out a month or two
> > back as a reminder for the
> > list, you'll find the following step in cleaning
> up
> > headers/footers.
> >
> > Check that page numbers should have a space on
> > either side,
> > separating them from the header/footer text. If
> the
> > page number is
> > the first character in a header it does not need a
> > space before it; or if
> > it is the last character in a footer it does not
> > need a space after it.
> >
> > Also, if page numbers appear in the headers, then
> > simply placing the correct
> > page number at the top of pages where chapters
> begin
> > will keep the Stripper
> > happy and prevent it from stripping the chapter
> > heading.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Gerald
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > Behalf Of Cindy
> > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 6:04 PM
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: reading 1776
> >
> >
> > I do the same thing. After recent discussions,
> > though,
> > if the headers are correctly spelled, I leave them
> > so
> > the stripper can do its work without deleting
> > anything
> > else, but I put the page number on the line
> below.
> > If a chapter starts on a new page, I put the word
> > chapter or something else on the top line so the
> > stripper will leave the Chapter title alone if it
> > starts with the word chapter.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Tracy Carcione <carcione@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't quite get that. I handstrip headers as
> a
> > > matter of course. Takes a
> > > bit longer, but at least the book isn't full of
> > junk
> > > headers. And it only
> > > really adds a few hours to the time required,
> max.
> > > Tracy
> > > At 05:35 PM 9/30/05 -0700, you wrote:
> > > >Thank you and Gerald for correcting me. I
> wonder
> > > how I managed to download a
> > > >"good" book. Actually all pages are there and
> > page
> > > breaks don't seem to be a
> > > >problem. It does say who submitted the book;
> > > obviously he thought the
> > > >stripper would work but it didn't do so
> > > consistently. Since one would have
> > > >to have the book on hand to make the
> corrections,
> > I
> > > guess the validator
> > > >can't be blamed either.
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Mike Pietruk" <pietruk@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > >To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:59 PM
> > > >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: reading 1776
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Jill
> > > >>
> > > >> Right now, the book has a "good" rather than
> an
> > > excellent rating.
> > > >> This, of course, still
> > > >> makes the book eligible for brailling.
> > > >> Based on what you report, the end result
> would
> > > likely be disappointing.
> > > >> What is even more disturbing is that the
> > listing
> > > for 1776 indicates a book
> > > >> of 5 pages which means that the book is
> either
> > > incomplete or, in this
> > > >> case, devoid of most of its page breaks.
> > > >> I can see where headers might prove a problem
> > on
> > > a Braille display which
> > > >> doesn't use true pagination.
> > > >> Hopefully, someone down the road will rescan
> > the
> > > book and replace the copy
> > > >> which is in the collection.
> > > >> Incidentally, the submitter of the book is
> > > unknown as it is that infamous
> > > >> "a bookshare volunteer".
> > > >>
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