[bksvol-discuss] Re: questions about: titles, hyphens, footnotes

  • From: "Susan Lumpkin" <slumpkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:23:36 -0500

Very good explanation Mayrie! As always, thanks for your assistance to all
of us! Happy proofing and East or Passover, whichever you celebrate!

Best Always,

Susan

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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 9:04 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: questions about: titles, hyphens, footnotes

Hi Reggie,

Since the book in which you put the chapters at 14 point didn't have any
other headings, it'll be fine.

Chapters are always at 16 point.  The purpose of using the formula that we
do is so that we never have to think about altering it specific to any book.

Preface and acknowledgments and foreword are like chapters, so that's why
they are bold and at 16 point.

Just always follow the structure I gave last night, and you'll be fine.  

It so happens that if a book only has a title, no preliminary sections and
only chapters with no subsections, your way worked.  There only needed to be
navigational markers for the things that it had.  But if you had come across
a subsection within one of the chapters, it would have needed to be at 14
point and you'd have had to resize your chapter headings.  

I'm not explaining this very well, am I?


I'll try again.  Font sizes vary so that when folks want to navigate a
Bookshare book by element of a book they can.  The tools see differences of
2 points as indicators of navigational markers. So The title, bolded and at
20 point  is what you might see as a heading level 1 on a web page.  A
section, or part of a book, bolded and at 18 point is what you might see as
a heading level 2, a chapter bolded and at 16 point as a heading level 3,
and a section/subsection within a chapter bolded and at 14 point would be a
heading level 4. So, a person wanting to find Part 2 of a book would look
for the second heading level 2 marker.  And if that person wanted Chapter 6
He'd go counting heading level 3 markers as he/she passed them.  Does that
make sense?

If your book has only a title and chapters, you'll have headings only at
levels 1 and 2, because only 2 levels exist, but if you had mneeded the
other things, part, or section within a chapter, you wouldn't have to alter
your already established formatting.  It's all about saving work and being
consistent.

Please ask if I've done nothing but muddy the water for you.

Mayrie



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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Regina Alvarado
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 6:43 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: questions about: titles, hyphens, footnotes

Mary and all:
Oops! Think I may have misunderstood Lissi! (Ah this brain sure takes longer
to understand lately, smiles.)  Understand putting tital of book in
20-point, preface, acknowledgments, etc. in 16-point.  However, I sent in
one of my books with the chapters at 14-point, with Chapter written before
numbers.  On Double Play I kept up the 16-point because the first 2 were
already in bold and 16-point, but I thought Lissi told me that the less
"titles" the further down you bring the bold-point.  In other words, I
understood her to mean, title 20-point, Preface, acknowlegements,
introduction, etc in 16-point and chapter titles in 14-point unless there is
another title and then you move everything up to 20, 18, 16 (for chapter)
and 14 for extra title.  Are Chapters always in 16-point no matter what? If
so, I did send in a book with 14-point for the chapters since there was
nothing else titled.  The book was accepted.  
Confused again in Michigan, naturally 

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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 3:09 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: questions about: titles, hyphens, footnotes

Hi Charisma,

I'll try to answer all of your questions.

First, nothing on the copyright page needs to be in 16-point font as far as
I know.  If the title there is on a separate line, I do make that bold and
20-point, but this is not required.

If your title has a subtitle, I recommend putting the whole thing in bold
and 20-point font.  I'm assuming you mean something like this: (I'm making
this up, of course).
 
The Weird, The Wonderful, and the Worst
The Life of a Typical Teenager

You can use the find dialogue to find hyphens, but I think you'd still have
to look at them one at a time to be sure that they need to be where they
are.  Control+h opens the find dialogue.

And I think that yes, your handling of footnotes is accurate.

And finally, because I forgot about your chapter heading questions.  It
doesn't matter whether your first chapter is called Chapter 1 or preface.
The rule for bolding and italicizing for heading navigation is this Title of
the book bold and 20 point Section of the book (Part one, Part Two, etc)
bold and 18 point Chapter, acknowledgments, forword, preface, end notes,
About the author, all at 16 point and bold.
And sections within a chapter bold and at 14 point. (Not all chapters have
this).

Hope that helps.  Please ask if I've been unclear or forgotten to answer
anything.

Happy proofreading!

Mayrie
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charisma
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 8:57 AM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] questions about: titles, hyphens, footnotes

Hi all,

I can't find these answers in the manual. If you know where they are in
there, I'd be grateful for a link. :)


What do I do about titles--both book and chapter--that are too long for one
line?

If the book title has a subtitle, does the subtitle also go in 20 point?
If the chapter title has a subtitle, does the subtitle also go in 16 point?

I am proofing a book in which the item identified as "1" (as in chapter 1,
not page 1) is a preface! What do I do about that!?  lol

I can't figure out what to put into 16 point on the copyright page--just the
line with copyright date and holder?

Has anyone found an easy way to hunt for broken (hyphenated) words besides
going line by line? I am doing a couple of authors who use double hyphens
multiple dozens of times throughout the book so searching by hyphen is
miserably slow.

And finally, I have a book with footnotes but they refer not to the bottom
of the page but to the back of the book. Do I handle those like
this:
[1]
or differently?

Thanks so much. I have hunted the manual for all of these questions and not
found the exact answers I need.

Charisma
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