Hi Cindy:I see you received a couple good opinions on paragraphs so I will skip that one. Now for your question on daisy and JAWS: Daisy and JAWS are not the same, I will atemp to explain. Daisy is a type of formatting (so to speak), when a book is properly marked up for it and you have the proper software or hardware to read it, you can jump by chapter, heading, page, phrase, sentence, line word or character. Victor has a software program that can be down loaded and along with a speach synthesizer you can read a daisy book on your computer, you can also use Kurzweil or OpenBook and maybe others. Now for hardware devices there are at least 3 I know of: BookPort, BookCourier and Victor Stream that handle daisy files. JAWS is a software program that reads computer screens, that is a simplified answer, because it does much more.
I hope this helps, I know it could be explained beter. George R. Marshall marshall.geoma4@xxxxxxxxx----- Original Message ----- From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 1:58 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: paragraphs--indented or line skipped between?
Then there are those who read in Braille, and sighted members who maybe read enlarged on their computers or..Are Daisy and Jaws the same thing? So, Jake, is it preferable to indent paragraphs rather than skip lines between? If bookshare closes blank lines, and it's desirable to teach children, especially, that a new paragraph should be indented, wouldn't indenting be best to do? If one sets the First Line Indent .2 or .3 (in Word) rather than using tabs or the space bar, will the indentation space be preserved? G.Cindy --- Jake Brownell <jabrown@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Hi Everyone, Mayrie is essentially correct. The tool that converts books to DAISY identifies paragraphs by a new line. It does not matter whether there's multiple new lines (blank lines) or an indentation, it will still be marked as a paragraph. For example, here's what info might be shown in the DAISY file for the above paragraph: <p id="exampleParagraph">Mayrie is essentially correct. The tool that converts books to DAISY identifies paragraphs by a new line. It does not matter whether there's multiple new lines or an indentation, it will still be marked as a paragraph.</p> Then, the software that reads the DAISY file will decide exactly how a paragraph should be rendered. For example when opening a DAISY book in internet explorer and using a screen reader there is a "blank line" between paragraphs. The only potential problem that arises is when there are more newlines than there should be. For example, paragraphs often span multiple lines in printed books. OCR programs can be configured to retain the "exact" layout, which means that the program puts a newline at the end of every printed line rather than only at the end of paragraphs. For example notice that this text is on multiple lines when it is clearly text that is meant to be together. When text like this is converted, the extra new lines cause lots of paragraphs. Again, here's the above paragraph written as it might appear in DAISY. <p id="paragraph1">For example notice</p> <p id="paragraph2">that this text is on</p> <p id="paragraph3">multiple lines when it is</p> <p id="paragraph4">clearly text that is meant</p> <p id="paragraph5">to be together. When text</p> <p id="paragraph6">like this is converted, the extra</p> <p id="paragraph7">new lines cause lots of paragraphs.</p> This can give some TTS engines problems, causing jerky reading. As you might guess, books formatted like this would also be next to impossible to navigate by paragraph. Gerald Hovas contributed some tips to my unofficial website that provide automated procedures that can usually fix up a book that has this symptom. I hope this gives some insight into our process and wasn't overly complex. Best regards, Jake Jake Brownell QA Engineer, Bookshare.org jake.b@xxxxxxxxxxxx----- Original Message ----- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: paragraphs--indented or line skipped between? > Hi Rita, > > I believe that Bookshare's tools remove any extra blank lines. > > I hope that Jake or Pratik will weigh in on this topic. But this > is what I remember having read. It makes no difference whether you leave > blank lines or indentations in your files. Here is the deal. Whether you > leave an extra blank line or indent the paragraphs, the hard return at the > end of a paragraph is the marker that the daisy tools look for and use to > know where the paragraphs end and subsequently begin. /All extra tabs, > spaces, and blank lines are stripped. So, any extra work that you all go > to inserting these things is wasted, because only the hard returns that > denote the end/beginning of a paragraph in an rtf document are used to > tell the daisy where paragraphs are. All other formatting is lost. So, > don't knock yourself out with formatting involving extra blank lines, or > spaces. It will be stripped anyway. > > Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I am almost positive that Jake and > or Pratik have said this before when the subject has come up. > > Peace, > Mayrie To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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