[bksvol-discuss] Re: paragraphs--indented or line skipped between?
- From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:58:12 -0700 (PDT)
Then there are those who read in Braille, and sighted
members who maybe read enlarged on their computers
or..Are Daisy and Jaws the same thing?
So, Jake, is it preferable to indent paragraphs rather
than skip lines between? If bookshare closes blank
lines, and it's desirable to teach children,
especially, that a new paragraph should be indented,
wouldn't indenting be best to do?
If one sets the First Line Indent .2 or .3 (in Word)
rather than using tabs or the space bar, will the
indentation space be preserved?
G.Cindy
--- Jake Brownell <jabrown@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Mayrie is essentially correct. The tool that
> converts books to DAISY
> identifies paragraphs by a new line. It does not
> matter whether there's
> multiple new lines (blank lines) or an indentation,
> it will still be marked
> as a paragraph.
>
> For example, here's what info might be shown in the
> DAISY file for the above
> paragraph:
>
> <p id="exampleParagraph">Mayrie is essentially
> correct. The tool that
> converts books to DAISY identifies paragraphs by a
> new line. It does not
> matter whether there's multiple new lines or an
> indentation, it will still
> be marked as a paragraph.</p>
>
> Then, the software that reads the DAISY file will
> decide exactly how a
> paragraph should be rendered. For example when
> opening a DAISY book in
> internet explorer and using a screen reader there is
> a "blank line" between
> paragraphs.
>
> The only potential problem that arises is when there
> are more newlines than
> there should be. For example, paragraphs often span
> multiple lines in
> printed books. OCR programs can be configured to
> retain the "exact" layout,
> which means that the program puts a newline at the
> end of every printed line
> rather than only at the end of paragraphs.
>
> For example notice
> that this text is on
> multiple lines when it is
> clearly text that is meant
> to be together. When text
> like this is converted, the extra
> new lines cause lots of paragraphs.
>
> Again, here's the above paragraph written as it
> might appear in DAISY.
>
> <p id="paragraph1">For example notice</p>
>
> <p id="paragraph2">that this text is on</p>
>
> <p id="paragraph3">multiple lines when it is</p>
>
> <p id="paragraph4">clearly text that is meant</p>
>
> <p id="paragraph5">to be together. When text</p>
>
> <p id="paragraph6">like this is converted, the
> extra</p>
>
> <p id="paragraph7">new lines cause lots of
> paragraphs.</p>
>
> This can give some TTS engines problems, causing
> jerky reading. As you might
> guess, books formatted like this would also be next
> to impossible to
> navigate by paragraph. Gerald Hovas contributed some
> tips to my unofficial
> website that provide automated procedures that can
> usually fix up a book
> that has this symptom.
>
> I hope this gives some insight into our process and
> wasn't overly complex.
>
> Best regards,
> Jake
>
> Jake Brownell
> QA Engineer, Bookshare.org
> jake.b@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 6:20 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: paragraphs--indented
> or line skipped between?
>
>
> > Hi Rita,
> >
> > I believe that Bookshare's tools remove
> any extra blank lines.
> >
> > I hope that Jake or Pratik will weigh in
> on this topic. But this
> > is what I remember having read. It makes no
> difference whether you leave
> > blank lines or indentations in your files. Here
> is the deal. Whether you
> > leave an extra blank line or indent the
> paragraphs, the hard return at the
> > end of a paragraph is the marker that the daisy
> tools look for and use to
> > know where the paragraphs end and subsequently
> begin. /All extra tabs,
> > spaces, and blank lines are stripped. So, any
> extra work that you all go
> > to inserting these things is wasted, because only
> the hard returns that
> > denote the end/beginning of a paragraph in an rtf
> document are used to
> > tell the daisy where paragraphs are. All other
> formatting is lost. So,
> > don't knock yourself out with formatting involving
> extra blank lines, or
> > spaces. It will be stripped anyway.
> >
> > Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I am
> almost positive that Jake and
> > or Pratik have said this before when the subject
> has come up.
> >
> > Peace,
> > Mayrie
>
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