[bksvol-discuss] Re: paragraph spacing
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:19:29 -0800 (PST)
Thank you, Evan. That is indeed what I said, and I'm
glad for your correction. It was quite some time ago
that I asked how readers preferred that paragraphs be
done. I could have forgotten which group said
what--but now that you've told me that spaced lines
between paragraphs is more difficult for braille
readers, and I'm sure it doesn't matter to Daisy
readers, I won't use them--and I guess I'll change
them to indented paragraphs if I find them in a book I
download for validation. It shouldn't be too difficult
by using a global replace. I do that with Marissa's
List to eliminate the spacing.
Cindy
--- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you
> saying that Braille readers
> have said that they prefer blank lines between
> paragraphs? If so, then I
> would just say that I am *definitely* not one of
> them. I have been reading
> Braille books for decades, and it just doesn't feel
> natural to me to have
> blank lines between paragraphs. Now that I read
> books on a Braille display,
> I don't like them for an additional reason: I have
> to scroll past a blank
> line after each paragraph. I just don't see the
> point, not to mention the
> extra button push or scroll click needed, which adds
> up to thousands for
> each book. My OpenBook puts blank lines between
> paragraphs when I save in
> .rtf format, and the first thing I do - thanks to
> Jake's helpful
> information - is eliminate them in Word.
>
> If you didn't actually say that most Braille readers
> prefer blank lines
> between paragraphs, then I'm sorry for wasting your
> time, but as it is
> worded, it seems a bit ambiguous.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:21 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: paragraph spacing
>
>
> > Sarah,
> >
> > Thank you for the information. We can now validate
> and
> > upload txt files as rtf--one of the major
> improvements
> > bookshare has made.
> >
> > I do use Word, and have figured out out to set the
> > indentations of paragraphs in the document as a
> whole,
> > but how would I set it for skipping lines between
> > paragraphs? Where would I find that? Not that I
> want
> > to any more, after your explanation of what
> happens to
> > the skipped lines--although Braille readers were
> the
> > ones, as I recall, who said they preferred
> that--but I
> > am curious to know, in case I do want to. SOme of
> the
> > books I validate already have skipped linesw
> betwween
> > paragraphs and then I don't change them, of
> course.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Sarah Van Oosterwijck
> > <curiousentity@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> It doesn't matter too much how you format
> >> paragraphs, because most people either read with
> >> speech or braille, in which case they don't
> >> experience your formatting, or they can adjust
> the
> >> paragraph formatting to suit their needs once
> they
> >> download the book from bookshare. What is very
> >> important is that you let your software do the
> >> formatting--meaning that you use Word's paragraph
> >> formatting menu to set how paragraphs are
> displayed,
> >> because that will let the conversion software
> handle
> >> paragraphs in whatever way makes sense for the
> >> format used. Besides, that method really is a
> lot
> >> easier and faster than manipulating every
> paragraph
> >> by hand.
> >> Really I believe bookshare's software only looks
> for
> >> paragraphs, but doesn't actually preserve or care
> >> about how they were formatted in the original.
> >> Deciding how to display paragraphs is a matter
> for
> >> the software being used by the reader and totally
> >> depends on the format being used.
> >> DAISY seems to suppress blank lines for
> paragraphs,
> >> HTML double spaces paragraphs, and BRF uses a
> single
> >> new line character followed by a two space
> indent.
> >>
> >> The only exception I would give to this rule is
> for
> >> TXT files. If you submit the TXT file back to
> >> bookshare as an RTF everything is fine, but if
> you
> >> upload as TXT then paragraphing you have done in
> >> your Word processor may very well be lost, so
> double
> >> returns may be the only way to allow any
> >> paragraphing to survive the conversion process.
> >> Unfortunately the hole paragraphing issue with
> TXT
> >> files is something I haven't completely figured
> out,
> >> so I can't write anything more informative or
> clear.
> >> I'd just suggest that you avoid uploading TXT
> >> files.
> >>
> >> Sarah Van Oosterwijck
> >> Assistive Technology Trainer
> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity
> >
> >
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