Thank you, Evan. That is indeed what I said, and I'm glad for your correction. It was quite some time ago that I asked how readers preferred that paragraphs be done. I could have forgotten which group said what--but now that you've told me that spaced lines between paragraphs is more difficult for braille readers, and I'm sure it doesn't matter to Daisy readers, I won't use them--and I guess I'll change them to indented paragraphs if I find them in a book I download for validation. It shouldn't be too difficult by using a global replace. I do that with Marissa's List to eliminate the spacing. Cindy --- Evan Reese <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I'm not sure what you're saying here. Are you > saying that Braille readers > have said that they prefer blank lines between > paragraphs? If so, then I > would just say that I am *definitely* not one of > them. I have been reading > Braille books for decades, and it just doesn't feel > natural to me to have > blank lines between paragraphs. Now that I read > books on a Braille display, > I don't like them for an additional reason: I have > to scroll past a blank > line after each paragraph. I just don't see the > point, not to mention the > extra button push or scroll click needed, which adds > up to thousands for > each book. My OpenBook puts blank lines between > paragraphs when I save in > .rtf format, and the first thing I do - thanks to > Jake's helpful > information - is eliminate them in Word. > > If you didn't actually say that most Braille readers > prefer blank lines > between paragraphs, then I'm sorry for wasting your > time, but as it is > worded, it seems a bit ambiguous. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:21 AM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: paragraph spacing > > > > Sarah, > > > > Thank you for the information. We can now validate > and > > upload txt files as rtf--one of the major > improvements > > bookshare has made. > > > > I do use Word, and have figured out out to set the > > indentations of paragraphs in the document as a > whole, > > but how would I set it for skipping lines between > > paragraphs? Where would I find that? Not that I > want > > to any more, after your explanation of what > happens to > > the skipped lines--although Braille readers were > the > > ones, as I recall, who said they preferred > that--but I > > am curious to know, in case I do want to. SOme of > the > > books I validate already have skipped linesw > betwween > > paragraphs and then I don't change them, of > course. > > > > Cindy > > > > > > > > --- Sarah Van Oosterwijck > > <curiousentity@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> It doesn't matter too much how you format > >> paragraphs, because most people either read with > >> speech or braille, in which case they don't > >> experience your formatting, or they can adjust > the > >> paragraph formatting to suit their needs once > they > >> download the book from bookshare. What is very > >> important is that you let your software do the > >> formatting--meaning that you use Word's paragraph > >> formatting menu to set how paragraphs are > displayed, > >> because that will let the conversion software > handle > >> paragraphs in whatever way makes sense for the > >> format used. Besides, that method really is a > lot > >> easier and faster than manipulating every > paragraph > >> by hand. > >> Really I believe bookshare's software only looks > for > >> paragraphs, but doesn't actually preserve or care > >> about how they were formatted in the original. > >> Deciding how to display paragraphs is a matter > for > >> the software being used by the reader and totally > >> depends on the format being used. > >> DAISY seems to suppress blank lines for > paragraphs, > >> HTML double spaces paragraphs, and BRF uses a > single > >> new line character followed by a two space > indent. > >> > >> The only exception I would give to this rule is > for > >> TXT files. If you submit the TXT file back to > >> bookshare as an RTF everything is fine, but if > you > >> upload as TXT then paragraphing you have done in > >> your Word processor may very well be lost, so > double > >> returns may be the only way to allow any > >> paragraphing to survive the conversion process. > >> Unfortunately the hole paragraphing issue with > TXT > >> files is something I haven't completely figured > out, > >> so I can't write anything more informative or > clear. > >> I'd just suggest that you avoid uploading TXT > >> files. > >> > >> Sarah Van Oosterwijck > >> Assistive Technology Trainer > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~netentity > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email > to > > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the > subject line. 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