[bksvol-discuss] Re: pagination
- From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:33:34 -0400
Dear Gerald and Julie,
Thank you so much. It's nearly twelve thirty now and too late for me to attempt
my upload, but with a copy safely in my files, I'll bite the bullet and go for
it. I'm beginning to have a clue about daisy tags and I wish them happy sailing
with my book!
It will be interesting to see the flurry of posts which are inevitable when the
changes to accommodate NIMAS are made and the next version of K1000 is
released. I'm sure we'll evolve though we may exhaust our advisors like you in
the process.
Gerald, please ignore my off list post since you've answered those questions
here.
Always With Love and Raring to Upload my Third Book!
Lissi
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Hovas
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 11:06 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: pagination
Lissi,
What you're doing is fine. If you put any characters above the page number,
then the Stripper won't be able to recognize the page number, and it will not
turn it into a DAISY tag. Also, if you put two page numbers on the page to let
the Stripper convert one, then the HTML files which can be unpacked using the
Bookshare's unpack tool will have two sets of page numbers in them since the
DAISY tags will be converted back to page numbers in the HTML file. It may
also cause two sets of page numbers at some point in the future for K-1000
since Kurzweil is likely to give K-1000 users the ability to see the page
numbers directly in the text in a later version since it will probably be
needed for NIMAS as well as because some current K-1000 users want that feature.
The only thing you didn't mention that you may want to do is put a page
number at the top of the pages where a chapter begins. That will keep the
chapter headings from being stripped. Do it just like you said below except
that line four would be the chapter heading like Chapter 4 or FOUR, or a big 4,
whatever the chapter heading looks like. If the publisher happens to have put
the page number at the bottom of the page for those pages, then remove the page
number from the bottom since you put it at the top because it doesn't need to
be in both places.
You wanted to know what DAISY tags are. I'm not positive, but it sounds like
they're special commands or data that are processed by DAISY readers. They
tell the DAISY reader things like what the page number is, what the chapter
number is, what section of the book you might be in like Part 1, etc. They're
also what makes it possible to jump directly to a specified page number,
chapter, etc. So far, Bookshare is only attempting to recognize page numbers,
but that will change once they support NIMAS which is a standard for K-12
textbooks. If I remember correctly, the newsletter from Gustavo said that
NIMAS will require additional content tagging, but it didn't say what that
tagging will be. It's bound to include chapter headings at a minimum, but it
may include things like the sections inside a chapter (i.e. Section 2.1 in
Chapter 2).
HTH
Gerald
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Estelnalissi
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 7:10 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] pagination
Dear Bookshare Friends,
I can hear you now. "oh no. Not another one." Sorry, but it is the question
you've heard over and over and I'm still perplexed.
I've just finished validating a long book, nearly 500 pages. The biggest
challenge was to make the format uniform.
After reviewing my saved Bookshare advice files, I'm still worried about
uploading the book.
I'm concerned about page numbers. I still don't understand how the stripper
works. As the rich text file edited with microsoft word using jaws and windows
XP, I began each page as follows,
Jaws says page break
Jaws says the page in a low voice at the beginning of the page where I have
done the following
line 1 is blank line jaws says blank
line 2. Page number at beginning of next line - jaws says the number
line 3 blank line, jaws says blank
4th line text begins, Jaws begins reading.
Also, I left one blank line at the end of each page.
In one of the messages I reviewed, Jake seemed to be saying to Cindy that if
she had two lines of writing together followed by a blank line and then text,
the stripper would ignore it.
should I put a star on the line directly above the page number, or three
dashes so I'll have 2 lines of text together where I want the page number to
be?. Should it be, line 1, blank, 2, star or dashes, 3 the number 4 blank and 5
the text? Should I leave one blank line at the bottom of each page or more? I
don't want to add extra characters for a braille reader to have to skim over
or a listener to hear again and again unless they help keep the page numbers in
tact.
I'm sorry to rehash this.
Always With Love,
Lissi
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