hey Donna For the record, smile, you can turn all that "computer babble of" It is under Verbocity in Settings. You can choose a message, chime or nothing. I have the following, proabably shows my sense of humor. Starting Kurzweil says Welcome back Boss! Leaving Kurzweil says By for now My student set the one at school to say "hellow user, how are you today I am fine, but I am bored, make my life interesting O.K.?" And for the Leaving Kurzweil she has "Fine, leave, I don't care, honest, What Ever!" She is eighteen so it is understandable, smile. But I have the scan completed as a chime my recognition completed as a chime My Orientation off And when the scan is completely recognizing, as I do the same thing you do with books, it plays a Clock chime. Which is actually quite pleasant. The only time the Kurzweil gives a status message is when something is below that certain percentage of accuracy. But you don't need to suffer through those comments from the PC if you don't want to. The tones are much more pleasant. The scanning progress is a Tick, the scan done and recognition done is a Dunk. Shelley L. Rhodes M.A., VRT, CTVI and Judson, guiding golden juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. Graduate Alumni Association Board www.guidedogs.com More than Any other time, When i hold a beloved book in my hand, my limitations fall from me, my spirit is free. - Helen Keller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Smith" <donnafsmith@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: pages that won't scan right. Hi Monika and other still following this thread. First and foremost, scanning is all about what works for you. There are multiple ways to achieve the same result of a very good scan. While I would encourage you to try out my method and any other variations you can find, it still comes down to what you're comfortable doing and what gets you the results you need. I choose to scan first and then recognize second because I'm not a very patient person and this method is faster. Also, since I'm usually doing something to entertain myself while scanning such as listening to another book or watching television or talking to a friend, it helps me not to have to try to listen to more computer talk than absolutely necessary. I usually turn the volume way down, leaving it up just enough to get a confirmation of scan completion or to hear if anything abnormal occurs such as it just stops scanning, but I'm not really paying much attention to it beyond when the sound of the scanner stops so I know to turn the page. During the recognition phase, I don't pay attention to anything once I get it started. I start the recognition and press the control key so that it won't try to tell me all about page orientation and quality of scan, etc. Basically, I start it up and then walk away from the computer till it finishes. Once it finishes recognition, I save it as an RTF file, and then the real work begins. <smile> I don't use Kurzweil to check the finished scan. I pull the book up in Word and go through it page by page. It's standard procedure for me, before submitting any scan, to do the following: 1. Strip the headers by either using find-and-replace or manually stripping them as I find them if they're too garbled for consistent stripping. 2. Page down through each page to check page numbers and the first few lines of text. 3. Fix all page numbers and chapter headings and the first few words of each chapter which are often written in a bold font and often don't scan perfectly. 4. When I'm sure that all pages are there with no duplications, I do a find-and-replace to put in two blank lines at the top of each page which I think is the protocol for protecting page numbers. This is my standard effort before submitting any book. If it needs significant other work because it contains tables or diagrams, then I may do that as well. Also, if there are any consistent junk characters, I'll take those out. Paging down through each page and checking the first line also finds words that are hyphenated at the end of pages and I fix all of those. So it is this process which alerts me to missing pages or garbled pages. Because I'm working so hard to protect page numbering, I'll know what pages are missing or garbled. One trick that makes this easy is to find page one in the book, copy everything that comes before this into a separate document and save it, then page 1 of the book is page 1 in the working document and I can tell quickly if the page numbers get out of sync. I don't find it very hard to locate the pages that need rescanning in the print book. If it's a 300 page book and I need pages 66 and 67, I just guess at what might be about a fourth of the way through the book and then scan those pages. Using the scan and recognize feature, I know within a minute or so what page it really is. Then I just count forward or back from that point. It really doesn't take very long. But let me end as I began. This is the process that works for me. I do it this way because it's effective and it fits my style. It's what I'm willing to do to get a good scan. Someone else might read this and think that I've lost it totally and have another set of recommendations for how to get the best scan. It's all cool. There's no right or wrong answers here. It's like cooking. As long as the meal's good, it doesn't matter if we don't use the same recipe book! Peace and Hope, Donna -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Monica Willyard Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 4:09 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: pages that won't scan right. Hi, Donna. Thanks for explaining how you scan. I am going to try it to see if I like it your way. I'm wondering about a couple of things though. One downside I can see is that when I scan and recognize pages at the same time, I get immediate feedback on a page that has gotten messed up somehow. Since you scan images only and then recognize, how do you find pages that are garbled quickly? Does Kurzweil have a feature to take you directly to badly scanned pages? Also, I would think that going back and finding the right page in the print book could be time consuming, especially in a thick book. How do you do things like this? The way I'm doing things now lets me immediately rescan a page, so there's no flipping through the book to find pages. I'm willing to change how I do things though if my scans will be better. "Don't let yesterday use up too much of today!" Will Rogers Monica Willyard, rhyami@xxxxxxxxx Add rhyami to your Skype if you'd like to chat. 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