[bksvol-discuss] Re: pages that won't scan right.

This is a perfect point that Pratik makes.  I don't use Kurzweil to edit
because I've never taken the time to learn those features.  It sounds like
that slowing down long enough to learn a few new tricks might save me more
time in the long-run.  It just goes to show, that you never get too old to
learn something new!

Donna

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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:09 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: pages that won't scan right.

Donn is correct once again.  It's about what works for you.  For me, it's
all about efficiency.  If I can use the program features to increase the
time efficnency, I will do it.  For example, I do all my checking in K1K.
It has some extremely capable features such as rank spelling and spelling
confidence per page.  This allerts me to trouble spots and quickly allows me
to move to them whenever needed.  I also use the "set page number" feature
to often mark the first real page in the book.  This way, K1K keeps track of
the page numbers for me and it's one less thing I have to do.  As good as
Microsoft word is as an editor, there are certain things that it is just not
capable of doing.  For reading and editing purposes, K1K is the best.  For,
other things such as writing, Microsoft Word is quite efficient.  I find
that there are certain features that  K1K can have added that will make it
even better for me and others when editing.

Prat


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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Donna Smith
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 6:25 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: pages that won't scan right.

Hi Monika and other still following this thread.

First and foremost, scanning is all about what works for you.  There are
multiple ways to achieve the same result of a very good scan.  While I would
encourage you to try out my method and any other variations you can find, it
still comes down to what you're comfortable doing and what gets you the
results you need.

I choose to scan first and then recognize second because I'm not a very
patient person and this method is faster.  Also, since I'm usually doing
something to entertain myself while scanning such as listening to another
book or watching television or talking to a friend, it helps me not to have
to try to listen to more computer talk than absolutely necessary.  I usually
turn the volume way down, leaving it up just enough to get a confirmation of
scan completion or to hear if anything abnormal occurs such as it just stops
scanning, but I'm not really paying much attention to it beyond when the
sound of the scanner stops so I know to turn the page.  During the
recognition phase, I don't pay attention to anything once I get it started.
I start the recognition and press the control key so that it won't try to
tell me all about page orientation and quality of scan, etc.  Basically, I
start it up and then walk away from the computer till it finishes.  

Once it finishes recognition, I save it as an RTF file, and then the real
work begins.  <smile>

I don't use Kurzweil to check the finished scan.  I pull the book up in Word
and go through it page by page.  It's standard procedure for me, before
submitting any scan, to do the following:

1.  Strip the headers by either using find-and-replace or manually stripping
them as I find them if they're too garbled for consistent stripping.
2.  Page down through each page to check page numbers and the first few
lines of text.
3.  Fix all page numbers and chapter headings and the first few words of
each chapter which are often written in a bold font and often don't scan
perfectly.
4.  When I'm sure that all pages are there with no duplications, I do a
find-and-replace to put in two blank lines at the top of each page which I
think is the protocol for protecting page numbers.

This is my standard effort before submitting any book.  If it needs
significant other work because it contains tables or diagrams, then I may do
that as well.  Also, if there are any consistent junk characters, I'll take
those out.  Paging down through each page and checking the first line also
finds words that are hyphenated at the end of pages and I fix all of those.

So it is this process which alerts me to missing pages or garbled pages.
Because I'm working so hard to protect page numbering, I'll know what pages
are missing or garbled.  One trick that makes this easy is to find page one
in the book, copy everything that comes before this into a separate document
and save it, then page 1 of the book is page 1 in the working document and I
can tell quickly if the page numbers get out of sync.  

I don't find it very hard to locate the pages that need rescanning in the
print book.  If it's a 300 page book and I need pages 66 and 67, I just
guess at what might be about a fourth of the way through the book and then
scan those pages.  Using the scan and recognize feature, I know within a
minute or so what page it really is.  Then I just count forward or back from
that point.  It really doesn't take very long.  

But let me end as I began.  This is the process that works for me.  I do it
this way because it's effective and it fits my style.  It's what I'm willing
to do to get a good scan.  Someone else might read this and think that I've
lost it totally and have another set of recommendations for how to get the
best scan.  It's all cool.  There's no right or wrong answers here.  It's
like cooking.  As long as the meal's good, it doesn't matter if we don't use
the same recipe book!

Peace and Hope,

Donna
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Monica Willyard
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 4:09 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: pages that won't scan right.

Hi, Donna.  Thanks for explaining how you scan.  I am going to try it 
to see if I like it your way.  I'm wondering about a couple of things 
though.  One downside I can see is that when I scan and recognize 
pages at the same time, I get immediate feedback on a page that has 
gotten messed up somehow.  Since you scan images only and then 
recognize, how do you find pages that are garbled quickly?  Does 
Kurzweil have a feature to take you directly to badly scanned 
pages?  Also, I would think that going back and finding the right 
page in the print book could be time consuming, especially in a thick 
book.  How do you do things like this?  The way I'm doing things now 
lets me immediately rescan a page, so there's no flipping through the 
book to find pages.  I'm willing to change how I do things though if 
my scans will be better.


"Don't let yesterday use up too much of today!" Will Rogers
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