I think the Vic (Humanware's Victor Reader Stream) is a profoundly better solution than any mainstream device with adaptive software added on. To those of you who have followed my Blind Confidential blog (http://www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com) since we started two and a half years ago, you will have read my numerous rants against "blind guy ghetto" products and my near total endorsement of adaptive technology on off-the-shelf hardware. Even while working for FS, I would recommend JAWS plus Fine Reader or OmniPage instead of OpenBook or K1000 as I feel strongly that the economies of scale cause the mainstream products to provide much more bang for the buck. Then came Vic. This little device is hardly larger than a deck of Poker playing cards and weighs only a few ounces. It has a tremendously intuitive UI and plays virtually every file format that I find interesting with very good fidelity. It is only $325, which places it around the middle of the line on Apple iPod hardware and doesn't require installing any hacked software (I think RockBox is really cool but Humanware technical support and other things that come with the Vic are more useful than trying to revive Apple hardware/firmware when an update comes out. I've heard the iCon, a GNU/Linux based notetaker designed for use by people with vision impairment, is also very cool but I've never touched one in real life and can't say anything first hand about it. The Apple iPod is certainly slick and trendy but my sighted wife says that the Vic is pretty cool looking as well. Enjoy, Cdh -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert Riddle Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:14 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: ot accessible ipods www.rockbox.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "estin" <estin@xxxxxxx > To: "Bookshare" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:10 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] ot accessible ipods > Just a quick off topic question: What can blind people use for an > accessible ipod? How much did it cost and how were you able to use it? > Thanks Estin > It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid then to open it and > remove all doubt. > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list > of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. __________ NOD32 3167 (20080609) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.