[bksvol-discuss] Re: old books on step 1
- From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:06:05 -0800 (PST)
I think, Jake, that yo've put your finger on one
problem. Some validators do a good job of checking the
book itself but assume, erroneously, that the form was
filled out correctly and they don't pay attention to
it. That's where I've seen problems occur.
But we validators don't know, unless we check page one
every day, whether or not the book we validated has
been kicked back or is sitting in the admin queue
awaiting approval. No one notifies us. If someone did,
it would be easy to fix the form, and resubmit the
validated book while we still have it.
Cindy
--- Jake Brownell <jabrown@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Elizabeth et al,
>
> Again this message not directed at any one person:
>
> If Gustavo says something like:
>
> Please verify title.
>
> He is saying, hey you probably made a mistake. You
> either need to fix the
> error, or defend your position. The same for other
> fields. Also, all
> volunteers should remember to be as specific as
> possible. Things like:
>
> "I verified the title"
>
> or
>
> "Copyright verified"
>
> or
>
> "author checked"
>
> Probably are not going to get you too far too fast.
> Tell him what you did,
> did you check on Amazon? Did you check on
> copyright.gov? If you checked on
> Amazon consider giving the URL, or if on the LOC
> website copying the
> appropriate record into the field. This helps show
> him that you understand
> what you are talking about.
>
> Some volunteers get so involved with correcting
> scanos and fixing up books
> that they forget the primary purpose of validation.
> That purpose is to check
> for a few specific things. Among them that *ALL*
> information on the forms is
> correct. If there is a kick back 9 times out of 10
> the validator seems to be
> at fault. I have seen titles where validator claims
> to have verified
> copyright, yet Gustavo correctly kicks it back again
> because the validator
> did not do it properly. There are repeated
> submitters out there that nearly
> always incorrectly fill out the copyright field, yet
> validators continually
> attempt to validate these books without updating the
> field....it really
> makes me wonder sometimes. If you're reading this
> and saying that's not me,
> really really, pay attention the next time to how
> diligent you are about
> checking the fields, as I have seen some very
> unlikely people making
> mistakes.
>
> I also encourage all volunteers to reread the
> validation instructions and
> the tip "guidelines for submission fields" from time
> to time. You would be
> surprised what you probably are unaware of. For
> instance I see lots of
> people include titles like Ph.D. or forget to put
> the word editor in
> parenthesis.
>
> If you have particular instances where you do not
> understand what Gustavo is
> attempting to communicate you should either ask
> onlist or offlist with one
> of the list monitors...we'll do our best to explain
> it.
>
> HTH,
> Jake
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elizabeth and Burton" <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 7:13 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: old books on step 1
>
>
> > First he questioned the copyright. Then he
> questioned the title. I do
> > not understand either question. Both are fine.
> The book is in great
> > shape. I uploaded it yet again. I am peristent
> or stubborn depending on
> > your perception. (grin) I do think that having a
> separate step 1 kick
> > back list would highlight some issues. I think
> Jake's thirty days old
> > list highlights others. I will do my best not to
> take too many books at a
> > time in the coming new year. At least I get a lot
> done even if I take
> > many of them.
> >
> > I do really think validators ought to be notified
> with more detail about
> > the nature of a kick back problem instead of this
> cryptic stuff.
> >
> > E.
> >
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