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Hi
I am new member in Bookshare. So I am not really familiar on how to proofread 
any books, could I ask someone to explain to me how to do it? I really 
appreciated it




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From: Mayrie ReNae <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 5:18:07 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: clarification on BKS manual

Hi Sue,

Perhaps I can make it clearer why PQ books do not have page numbers.  It's
actually pretty simple, just not to fix.  The PQ books are files sent by the
publisher to Bookshare for conversion to daisy and brf. These files are the
same files from which the publishers print books.  Books only have page
numbers when they're printed.  This is because the page size and print size
designated for a given  print book are the things that tell where pages
should begin and end.  The only way that publishers could provide page
numbers would be to scan a print book just as we do.  Think of it this way.
In Word, your number of pages in a file is determined by the size of paper
that you use.  Until Word knows what size of paper to expect, the page
numbers generated are only guesses.  So, for a publisher to insert page
numbers in their files, the page size and print size of a book could never
be altered and all print copies would have to be the same, either large
print, hard cover, paperback, or trade paperback. The insertion of page
numbers into the electronic files as a part of the text as we provide them
as proofreaders would make it impossible for the publisher to produce more
than one version of a book without recreating the file for each different
kind of book.

I know it's annoying for us.  But it isn't happening because anyone is lazy
or inconsiderate.  

Have I just muddied the waters?  Sorry if I have.  Please ask if you have
more questions. At least this is my understanding of why the lack of page
numbers inPQ files exists.  Maybe I'm wrong about thinking the way that I
do.  If I am and someone else knows for certain, maybe they'll chime in and
correct me.  In any case, I don't think that the lack of page numbers is a
result of anyone's lack of interest in having them.

Mayrie



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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sue Stevens
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 12:39 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: clarification on BKS manual


Hi Mayrie,

I am seeing PQ books that do not have any page numbers at all, at least in
BRF files.  Yet we are still asked to include them.  I do not understand
this, although I still do as you do.  (smile)

Sue S.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 12:10 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: clarification on BKS manual


Hi there,

Please keep in mind that what I am going to tell you is supposed to be
obsolete information.  In the past, a blank line was necessary before and
after both page numbers and chapter headings in order for Bookshare's
conversion tools to locate, and identify page numbers and chapter headings.
That is not supposed to be necessary any longer.  However, I've seen books
produced after the tools were supposed to be able to handle the lack of
blank lines to identify page numbers and chapter headings for them which
have page numbers incorperated into the text of the book.  What I don't
know, not having proofread the books that I've seen with this issue, is
whether or not there was in the rtf document any separation whether blank
line, or just a paragraph break between the page number and the text of the
book, or whether the tools glitched in processing.  Because I can't know why
this happens, I choose to follow potentially antiquated procedures to be
certain that page numbers are not incorperated into the text of books. My
practise absolutely and positively causes no problems with books, so I am
safe in any case.

Sorry for the long-winded explanation.  I hope it helps and allows you to
choose for yourself what practises you prefer to follow.

Please feel free to ask more questions if I've been unclear in any way.

Mayrie



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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Holmes
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 9:17 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: clarification on BKS manual

This may be a newbie question, but what is meant by protecting page numbers
and chapter headings? What text would otherwise be vulnerable?
I'm asking this from the point of view of a proofreader.  By the time the
contents gets to me, either the headings are there or they are not.  Same
with page numbers.  When I see the RTF, there isn't much I can do to those
except for ensuring they are on their own lines (page numbers).

Thanks for clarifying.

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 01:42:57PM -0700, Mayrie ReNae wrote:
> Hi Robin,
>
> This is just my opinion and my practise.  I still protect all page
> numbers and chapter headings.  I'm not confident that the conversion
> tools work as well as they should all of the time.  They are supposed
> to.  Maybe they do, and maybe they don't.  We're supposed to be able
> to trust the tools.  I prefer to take no chances.  My only suggestion
> is to experiment with a book by not protecting page numbers or chapter
> headings and see what happens with it.
>
> It's up to you, in essence.
>
> Optional hyphens  are the ones inserted when a word has been broken at
> the end of a line in the book.  I think that's right anyway.
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Van Lants
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 1:13 PM
> To: Scott Rains; bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] clarification on BKS manual
>
> Hi,
>
> I just re-read the volunteer manual to catch the updates. It was great
> to see the section on unnecessary formatting that  the RTF tool does
> after submission.  My question is, if the RTF tool takes out white
> spaces, are we still encourged to protect page breaks, page numbers
> and chapter headings with blank lines on either side?  I do this
> before I submit a scan (while I've checking that all pages made it
> into the book), but I see no reference to doing this in the manual
anymore.
>
> Also, what is an "optional hyphen" as referenced in the manual?
>
> Thanks
>
> Robin
>
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