[bksvol-discuss] Re: new wish list fiction requests
- From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:56:04 -0700
Hi, I suppose then you would be hedging your bets. I've read Asimov's
Mysteries and the stories were structured like mystery puzzle stories. I
think Mr. Asimov enjoyed writing about anything that appealed to the
rational abilities of people to solve problems, and mysteries often appeal
to the wish to solve problems or find closure. Of course, he also wrote the
Azazel stories. Was he dabbling into the fantastic ever so slightly? H'mm!
Decisions, decisions ... Everyone comes up against quandaries, and if you or
I owned a bookstore, there would be books which might cause us considerable
perplexity. (In my case, Roger, I doubt I'd own a bookstore, having no
ambition and lacking business sense. I'd probably visit the bookstore,
wander around, and if I had 20-20 vision, I'd probably be sitting on the
floor leafing through books and you'd have a hard time getting rid of me,
due to the likely occurrence of my getting lost in a book.) I think if you
had business sense, you'd probably be successful in running your bookstore.
Regards and happy hair-splitting (smile), Kim.
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Well, I wasn't really familiar with the word slipstream used in that sense,
but as long as it is clear in its meaning I suppose it is as good as
anything else. I have been using the word overlap myself, but I am not sure
that it covers all senses of that blurring of genres. It is well to remember
that the concept of literary genre is an artificial compartmentalizing
anyway and if you are going to compartmentalize then something can often be
put into more than one compartment. There is a book by Isaac Asimov entitled
Asimov's Mysteries. It is an anthology of science fiction stories that are
without question written in the style and the form of traditional mysteries.
Is that slipstream? I don't know. I do think, though, that it can be
classified as either mystery or science fiction, but I also tend to think
the word or is inappropriate. It is not one or the other. It is both and
should be in both categories. If I was running a bookstore and that book
came in I would like to put at least one copy in the mystery section and
another one in the science fiction section. What if I had only one copy?
Then I suppose flipping a coin would do just fine.
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Hi, Roger, Kim here. You have given a word to add to my vocabulary. I'm
wondering if concilience is related to being conciliatory or to
conciliation? I
have a sneaking suspicion they are related, but just to be on the safe side
I'll look them up to be sure. With regard to your remarks, what do you think
of the term slipstream to indicate the blurring of genres? Regards, Kim.
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Well, pretty much any genre of fiction can overlap with any other genre of
fiction. That happens outside of fiction too. I think the phenomenon is
called
concilience. Sometimes it can be really difficult to classify a story with
that overlap into one genre or another. Is it a science fiction mystery or
is
it a mystery science fiction? If you are forced to choose one or another
then oftentimes a subjective judgement has to be made and I suppose your
method
of coming to a subjective judgement is as valid as any other. Personally, I
am of the mind that one should try to determine the author's intent. What is
the main gist of the story? What kind of story does the author usually
write? There are times, though, when the only thing to do is to declare it
as both
or neither.
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Hi, Roger, Kim here. Here's how I see it. If a romance is set on a different
planet involving humans, aliens, etc., I would consider that a science
fiction
romance. If said romance involves time travel, that too belongs in the
above category. Any romance that uses magic, shape shifters, or other worlds
or
an alternate to our world where magic is used or where there are psychical
gifts, I would consider that a fantasy romance. If your romance involves
vampires
or were-creatures, I could class that as a fantasy romance with horrific
overtones. Romances involving demons or zombies with the predominant
emphasis
being on the dark side of things, I could class that as horror with romantic
overtones. It really depends on the moral code (or lack thereof) of the
protagonists.
If your were-creature or vampire is trying to make the best out of his/her
situation and hunts because he/she must in order to survive and wishes to
protect
ordinary humans from creatures/vampires of his/her kind who revel in rapine,
slaughter, and various unholy rites, I would say this edges slightly away
from the horror genre. I think of this as a continuum. I hope this helps or
entertains. If you disagree, it just makes the conversation more lively, and
after all, it is my opinion and I gathered you wished to know how I
perceived this. Delightful to hear from you, Roger. You always inform or
peak the interest
with your thoughts. Thanks and best regards, Kim aka Ellinder.
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Well, there are plenty of paranormal romances that feature vampires,
werewolves and other horror trophes. Would you consider that to be a romance
horror
hybrid?
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Hi, Cindy, I've noticed that their are books I like which fall into multiple
categories. Take for instance what you said about Deanna Raybourn. I agree
there are definitely mystery plotting elements in her books. Also, I see a
bit of fantasy in them, but no magic to speak of. Cindy, I really don't want
to give anything away to detract from your reading pleasure, but I can say
the hero of these books is quite different from the run-of-the-mill
Victorian
gentleman (or is he a gentleman?) Ms. Feehan's books are romances, but they
involve people who are different, either by not being quite human due to an
ability that humans don't generally have (shape shifting or having to
sustain their lives by dieting on blood), or they may have some magical
ability.
I haven't seen any book by her where both protagonists are common ordinary
people. Other authors who mix romance with other genres are Susan Krinard,
Maggie
Shayne, and Catherine Asaro. I wonder what new permutations the romance
novel will add. Just for curiosity, is there a romance/horror mix (shudder)?
What
will authors think of next, I wonder? Regards, Kim.
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According to amazon.com, Deanna Raybourne's genre is are romantic mystery.
Here's part of the first line of a review of the first book in the Lady
Julia
Grey novels, Silent on the Moor: "A sassy heroine and a masterful, secretive
hero. Fans of romantic mystery could ask no more"
Cindy
Wish List (i.e., books wanted added to the collection) and
books-being-scanned list available at sites below
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https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/Books+Being+Scanned+List
--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Kim Friedman <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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From: Kim Friedman <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: request
To: "'Cindy'" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 1:10 PM
Hi, Cindy, I saw to my delight that the first two books in the Study series
by Maria V. Snyder, i.e., Poison Study and Magic Study are in the Bookshare
collection. Did you know that Ms. Snyder has written a third book in the
Study series, i.e., fire Study? I confess I heard the first book on XM
satellite
radio and had help downloading the other two books in the Study series. I
can assure you they are interesting. Another author you might like to add to
the Bookshare collection is Deanna Raybourn. I mention this for the benefit
of other people. They may like these books. (Since I've joined audible.com,
I plan to have help downloading unabridged stuff that isn't available
anywhere else.) Also, do you have plans to add all the other books in the
Dark series,
the Leopard series, and the seventh book in the Drake Sisters series by
Christine Feehan? Yeah, Cindy, my completist soul is yammering at me again.
C'est
la vie. Take care and best regards, Kim, quiet kibitzer and Bookshare fan.
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