Hi Lissi,
When I used the term paragraph, I meant it in a very loose fassion. No,
the page number should not be in a paragraph that has text of the book.
Here's some thoughts though on why using your formula with dashes is a
bad idea.
The BookShare tools attempt to recognize page numbers as the first or last
item on the page. That line of dashes won't let them do that. This is bad
because then both DAISY and BRF documents cannot be formatted as well as
they could have been. Yes, you've left the page numbers in the text, but
DAISY users won't be able to say, take me to page 58. And, the numbers in
the Braille file will not be consistent with the way page numbers are
presented in other Braille files.
Here's another thought. Say in six months BookShare significantly
improves its tools to capture page numbers ten times better. They're going
to write that tool based on the fact that page numbers should be the first
or last thing on the page, now books where this isn't the case, won't be
improved.
Just some food for thought,
Jake
----- Original Message -----
From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:05 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: new page wrong place
Dear Jake,
Thanks for the advice and hope. Once the chapters started the pages were of uniform length. That's why I was surprised when a page broke short of the bottom.
I have been adding a few extra lines at the bottom, but I always do that. My goal is to try and make sure there will be page numbers in the BRF file, as many of us really need them.
I thought I was protecting numbers at the bottoms of pages by doing this
last line of text
blank line
page number
blank line
dash space dash space dash
blank line
page break
blank line
first line of text on the next page
In a book which Bookshare approved I omitted the line of dashes with just a blank line before and after the page number at the bottom of pages. Some members downloaded the BRF file and told me there were no page numbers at all. They'd expressed appreciation for the page numbers being there when I was using dashes.
Once I accomplish a validation formula that works, I'd be so happy to stick to it and validate forever!
I did notice a post you sent to someone else where you said page numbers should be part of the paragraph. Did that mean that if the number is on the bottom it should be one space after the last word on the page without the word blank spoken before it if I'm checking character by character? Does blank mean a hard break, or signal the end of a paragraph?
Does it mean that every time I hear blank, a new paragraph is started no matter where it is spoken?
I'll try what you suggest and post back to the list.
Sorry for all of the questions. I really don't mean not to comprehend this. I'll do anything to upload books which will be accurate, accessible and complete and clear for all readers. Frustrated but totally unable to give up.
Always with love,
Lissi
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake Brownell" <jabrown@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:45 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: new page wrong place
Hi Lissi,
I'm not entirely able to guess at what's going on here. But sometimes, changing the "length" of a page can be helpful, as in some instances the text would take up more than an 11 inch page based on how it's formatted.
To try this.
Open your file.
Choose the file menu (alt+f)
And then press U for page setup
You'll probably have to press shift+tab to get to the list of tabs at the top. You'll want the one labeled Paper.
Then tab a few times until you hear height. It's most likely set to 11. Try something like 20. Press enter to activate the OK button.
Has your problem gone away? If so, great, if not just press ctrl+z to undo that change.
Let us know what happens and we'll knock our brains together if this doesn't work.
Jake
----- Original Message ----- From: "Estelnalissi" <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 10:29 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] new page wrong place
Dear Volunteers,
Here's a new delimma. I wonder if these will ever stop cropping up.
I am validating a good scan of a book which had section breaks which always coincided with jaws telling the number of the page at its bottom and the next page immediately after at its top. Replacing section breaks with page breaks has been a routine job. My problem is that on page 25 of the text, jaws, in that lower tone announced the end of page 25 (pages 38 and 39) two paragraphs before the actual end of the page. 38 and 39 are correct because they count the 14 pages of material before the numbered pages begin. I have the print book so I know jaws is announcing them too soon. Then the jaws voice skips naming the next page but starts at the right number at the bottom of page 27, but one line too soon.
I've had no luck trying to move or delete these jaws numbers.
Any help would be appreciated since I'm trying to validate faster, though I'll never be actually speedy since I read all of the books I validate.
Thanks in advance.
Always with love,
Lissi
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