[bksvol-discuss] Re: new books and Daisy navigation, or lack of it.

  • From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:49:48 -0700

Hi Rik!
 
Well, I'm glad you gave all of your info!  It helped, and I think I might
have a suggestion that will help with the Victor Reader Stream at least.
 
When you put Bookshare books into the DTB folder on your Stream, you need
first to create a folder named the title of your book.  Then, unzip all of
the Bookshare files into that folder.  Make sure you remove the zip file
from this folder if indeed you have it there.  Then, paste the folder
containing all of the files into your dtb folder.  The Stream needs all of
those files to give you heading navigation.  Did you perhaps just paste the
opf file into the dtb folder and none of the others?  I'm guessing, though I
obviously don't know, that that's why you can't navigate, because you're
missing the other files which contain the information necessary for the
stream to know how to navigate to the headings.
 
Why it works on the Book Port Plus and not the Stream, I don't know.
Perhaps the Stream has trouble with some of the PQ books, I haven't played
with one on my stream in a long time.
 
You can open the xml file using your internet browser, or can read using
Kurzweil 1000 by opening the opf file from within that program.
 
I don't think that the older Book Port will handle the publisher quality
books, or at least that's what someone, I think, said on this list.  The brf
files work on the older Book Port but don't have heading navigation,which is
what I think you were looking for.
 
And sort of finally, I don't know about FS Reader.  I've never used that and
can't speak to anything about that one.
 
And we've all lamented the lack of page numbers in publisher quality books,
but even people using Kindles or the like don't have them, and the benefit
of the quantity of books donated and their quality outweighs in many of our
opinions, the lack of page numbers.  I do agree it's nice to have them, but
it can't be changed, isn't the fault of anything Bookshare does in
processing the books, and I'm still really really appreciative that
publishers are donating their books for us to read, so I just add this to
the list of instances in which the world isn't perfect, and go on being
appreciative of the donations of so many many books for us to read that we
otherwise wouldn't have.
 
Sorry!  I didn't mean to rattle on!
 
Hope some of that helped you and if you still have problems, please, write
again and I'll bet we can figure out why you're having troubles, if not fix
them.
 
Happy reading!
 
Mayrie
 
 

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Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:20 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: new books and Daisy navigation, or lack of it.


Thanks, Mayrie, for your post in answer to mine.
I am really hoping I do not sound like a complainer on this. But I guess I
do.
I did not read those earlier posts about the books supplied by the
publisher. So I apologize for posting on a topic probably covered there and
back again.
 
I perhaps posted too hastily until I had tried my newly downloaded book on
each device. 
Because now, I see there is some differences in how they behave. Let me go
ahead and take a minute and report on it.
 
I have several devices. Embarrassing as it is, I have just gone ahead and
purchased several.  
 
I have the old Book Port, which I still use quite a bit.
The new book I mentioned will not load at all on the unit. I don't know why.
 
On the Victor Reader Stream, the book navigates by line, phrase, and level
one, which just goes to "begin reading," and then to "end of book."
Now, perhaps I should not even put this in the DTB folder?
 
I use Kurzweil but usually just for scanning and some editing, and for
creating Daisy audio files of my own scanned books and magazines.  
Perhaps I should start using it more for Bookshare books.
 
On my pc, I have mostly used FS Reader, version 2.
It usually has the sections broken up enough for me to quickly read Newsline
newspapers and sometimes I check and read parts of Bookshare books this way.
 
I have always launched Bookshare books by hitting ENTER on the dot o p f
files after downloading them into their own newly created folder. 
FS Reader has been set to be my default for this. 
 
I only really opened the book I mentioned with the file using extensions of
.opf.  
It sounds like from what you have said, Mayrie, that I should start to hit
ENTER on the HTML file, to have those heading marks.
Good tip! Thanks.
 
Lastly, I have loaded the book into my Book Port Plus.
And I do find that using this device, this book has more Daisy navigation.
It has Levels 1 and 2, and it indeed does go to the various headings or
chapters. And as you explained, it does not have any page navigation.  
 
I guess one of the big things I have learned is that there are no page
numbers in electronic text from publishers.
I totally did not know that.  And I am sorry to hear it.  It has been one of
the cool things I have enjoyed and become accustomed to in reading Bookshare
books. 
Sort of different from the years of listening to tapes from NLS and never
knowing what page I was on, and to be able to reference it, should I need or
want to for some reason.
 
So there is my perhaps too extensive report.
But if any of what I have said can be prompting a suggestion, I am very much
in appreciation for it.
 
Thanks very much.
Rik
 
From: Mayrie ReNae <mailto:mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx>  
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:34 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: new books and Daisy navigation, or lack of it.
 
Hi Rik,
 
I downloaded the book that you mention, and I'd like to know what daisy
reader you're using. I can navigate by heading in this book just fine.  It's
true that publisher quality books don't have page navigation, because, as
we've discussed before on this list, but maybe not since you've been back
with us, the electronic copies of books provided by the publishers to
bookshare don't have pages or page numbers in them.  This is because page
numbers and pages are only a function of printed books, determined by the
size of print on a page and the size of the paper used.  The publishers
choose these sizes and tell their printers what to do each time they want to
print a copy or batch of copies from these electronic copies of the books.
Please ask more if that part isn't clear.  
 
Other than that, I see heading navigation for each what appears to be a
story or chapter of the book using both the xml files, and Kurzweil 1000
version 12.04.
 
So, if you can tell us what daisy reader you're using, maybe we can help you
figure out why you don't see any daisy navigation in your book.
 
Mayrie
 
 
 
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:15 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] new books and Daisy navigation, or lack of it.


Hi vols,
 
This text below is a copy of a message sent to bookshare technical support.
 
I am wondering about DAISY navigation in some of the new books in the
Bookshare collection.  
 
I was very pleased and excited to see a new book just added to the
collection.  It says on the page that it was done by Bookshare Staff.  So I
thought I would just contact Technical Support, to see if I could learn, or
to give my input.
 
Why do some books really have zero Daisy navigation?
This new book, that I just downloaded (Here Comes Trouble by Michael Moore),
really does not even have page navigation.  
 
After the preliminary permission text, there is a link in Level 1 to "Begin
Reading."  And the next time I try to go to the next navigation point, it
goes to "End of text."
 
There are numerous examples of this in other new additions. With the earlier
books it is understandable. But now? Really?
 
This is way short of what we are capable of, isn't it?
We have the potential for 3 levels of Daisy navigation in many instances
with the various recent devices available. And to be really providing
reading materials, we should be able to access them as much as possible with
sighted peers, to go to pages, chapters, and so on.
 
So, please, let's see about doing this with newly added content to our
Bookshare Collection.
 
Thank you.
Richard James
one of the volunteers, maember since I think 2004 or so.
d28rik@xxxxxxx

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